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JTD....

Please go easy on Brown Eyed Girl. She is not a regular poster and is not used to the banter that happens.

Brown Eyed Girl - don't take what we say as a personal affront - I think JTD is actually curious about what holidays other than cruises require formal dress. Here in America I cannot think of many - to be honest.


My point entirely!!
Someone said that a cruise is no different to any other holiday ...so I asked what other holidays require a dress code at all, maybe smart/elegant casual but certainly not a Black tie code.
Probably the Caribbean is one of the keenest on dressing for dinner & the term ''Elegant Casual" may have originated there. Barbados for instance has or had a few places where a jacket was required for dinner, most ''better'' places ask for smart casual & may tell you on booking a table. Many times we have been to black tie dinners on special nights like Xmas & New Year. On the other hand you would be almost laughed at in the Maldives for wearing shoes!!
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>>There are some fashion police on these boards
nope there is no police at all,

but evening some big handsome young german ship officers
wiith some girls from animation troop meet greet you in the entrance.

I think/sure they would ask you not to wear shorts or/and t- shirts
in the evening.

so the main question for German tourists is not a dresscode,
but how much the beer cost (I don#t know , because
i drink no alkohol and mineral water is free of charge 24 hours)
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The Germans are known for being very frugal when it comes to cruising. Not cheap, but I hear they demand ongetting what they paid for.

I have heard a German cruisier will be in the dining room for every meal.
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Has never happened to me in 15 cruises. I've never been sent anything to do with dress code. I have to dig to find it.
So....because you don't study the literature that is available you can hardly say you didn't have the opportunity to know the facts? Whatever I do I read all the stuff about it, I love reading all this stuff.
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I have heard a German cruisier will be in the dining room for every meal
You can bet that they wil be first in the queue !!
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I have to admit that I am the worst when it comes to preparing for a cruise and in my position that is a bad thing. (Although I am getting a lot better).

I SHOULD read far more than I do before I go, and I highly recommend that other people do.

The fact is there is a LOT you can miss if you don't read about your cruise before you leave. By the time you find out about a special restaurant it may be entirely booked for the cruise, for example.

I used to think it wouldnt hurt for me as a reporter to go on a ship slightly uninformed and see how good the staff is in telling you how things work.

Guess what I found out - the staff is usually not very good at that, and the more you know about a ship personally before you go the better off you will be. Staff people generally only know their own department.

This is why I just cringe when I see a guest asking a waiter what time the spa opens, for example. They really have no idea - they don't go there.

A room steward might only know the dress code because he has been asked so many times.
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JTD,

Not that old chestnut - I thought better of you....

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So....because you don't study the literature that is available you can hardly say you didn't have the opportunity to know the facts? Whatever I do I read all the stuff about it, I love reading all this stuff.
It's not an exam John. I really don't think anyone should have to "Study". If it's that important to a cruise line, I think it should be front and centre on what they do send out, whether it's your confirmation, your e:docs, their website, through their representative, the TA, whatever. Don't hide it and expect your paying passenger to find it and decipher it.
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Not that old chestnut - I thought better of you....

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Merely an observation on national trends based on experience!
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Merely an observation on national trends based on experience!
I have to say I have heard about it but yet to observe it. You and I obviously do not patronise the same places/establishments.

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It's not an exam John. I really don't think anyone should have to "Study". If it's that important to a cruise line, I think it should be front and centre on what they do send out, whether it's your confirmation, your e:docs, their website, through their representative, the TA, whatever. Don't hide it and expect your paying passenger to find it and decipher it.
Maybe the word "study" was wrong or taken too literally, I meant that I read all available information on things that I do in order to be well informed. Not reading stuff is no reason to not know, for instance if you should break the law, ignorance of the law is no excuse they say. I suppose this is why I find it difficult to understand why people don't know what is expected on a cruise.
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Maybe the word "study" was wrong or taken too literally, I meant that I read all available information on things that I do in order to be well informed. Not reading stuff is no reason to not know, for instance if you should break the law, ignorance of the law is no excuse they say. I suppose this is why I find it difficult to understand why people don't know what is expected on a cruise.
Your comparison of dress code to breaking a law is laughable.

I don't think in all my years of cruising and posting on boards I've ever seen anyone as absorbed in dress codes as you are. Dress codes, like smoking policies should be pushed more than they are if the cruise line cares that much. I think some lines do an awful job of letting you know what to expect. Look at Celebrity, how many tries has it taken to get their dress code consistent on their website? and it's still buggered.

They're looking to please everyone.
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Guess what I found out - the staff is usually not very good at that, and the more you know about a ship personally before you go the better off you will be. Staff people generally only know their own department.

I have found that I invariably know more than some of the staff, unfortunately more than some of the people at the cruise line too, don't want to give the impression that I am a "know -all" but rather that the one's who you think would know....don't!
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Your comparison of dress code to breaking a law is laughable.
You fail to understand the logic...I am not comparing dress codes with breaking the law, I am comparing the ignorance of facts involved in both cases. If you can't be bothered to read the facts about "life on board" you can't blame anyone else, if you don't know the law(who does?) that is no excuse either.
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Your comparison of dress code to breaking a law is laughable.
You fail to understand the logic...I am not comparing dress codes with breaking the law, I am comparing the ignorance of facts involved in both cases. If you can't be bothered to read the facts about "life on board" you can't blame anyone else, if you don't know the law(who does?) that is no excuse either.
Subtle insult ignored My point is that cruise lines don't push the fact that there are dress codes. I just downloaded Celebrity's Europe Brochure...130 pages, one guy in a suit..and in the same picture there are people casually dressed. Same goes for the Princess brochure, it's all showing smart casual.

All the commercials (except Cunard) show smart casual. That's what people are buying. The ads, the brochures. People shouldn't be expected to dig for the facts, they should be presented with them when they buy a product.

Celebrity's Onboard Experience was wrong for ages, it didn't match the dress code portion. Maybe Celebrity just didn't care enough??
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Subtle insult ignored My point is that cruise lines don't push the fact that there are dress codes. I just downloaded Celebrity's Europe Brochure...130 pages, one guy in a suit..and in the same picture there are people casually dressed. Same goes for the Princess brochure, it's all showing smart casual.

All the commercials (except Cunard) show smart casual. That's what people are buying. The ads, the brochures. People shouldn't be expected to dig for the facts, they should be presented with them when they buy a product.

Celebrity's Onboard Experience was wrong for ages, it didn't match the dress code portion. Maybe Celebrity just didn't care enough??
The insult you mention must be very subtle I have no idea what it is!!
Maybe it's me but I look for information in the written part of the brochure, not the pictures...
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The insult you mention must be very subtle I have no idea what it is!!
Maybe it's me but I look for information in the written part of the brochure, not the pictures...
JTD - I can't let you away with that as the song says:

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>>I have heard a German cruisier will be in the dining room for every meal

Yes I think so, on Costa as i eat not a lot in the evening (it was
too much for me ) they ask all the time why am eating only little.

I told i have no hunger, so sometime they told me
I am making Costa rich with my "meal politic".

nevertheless i don#t think German tourists are eating
more than any other and I dont think they order
pizza in there cabin - they would prefer to sit together
in restauraunt and drink ...
yes the beer and the wine as everybody knows
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>>A room steward might only know the dress code because he has been asked so many times.


what a strange idea to aks room steward about it.
OK maybe it is a good one.

as for me I cary on formal days on Epic my best black Jacket,
my best shirt and shoes and extremly yellow shorts.
i wonder Paul how haven#t you noticed me on that day
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>>I have heard a German cruisier will be in the dining room for every meal

Yes I think so, on Costa as i eat not a lot in the evening (it was
too much for me ) they ask all the time why am eating only little.

I told i have no hunger, so sometime they told me
I am making Costa rich with my "meal politic".

nevertheless i don#t think German tourists are eating
more than any other and I dont think they order
pizza in there cabin - they would prefer to sit together
in restauraunt and drink ...
yes the beer and the wine as everybody knows
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I agree - my smallest meal of the day is dinner! When you think about it, if you have a good breakfast, a modest lunch - you don't really need dinner!
I am constantly asked why I skip so many courses? Simple - I am not hungry!

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PS I would love a vessel which had a MDR where you could enjoy a 2 hr leisurely breakfast - yes I can take that long - I love breakfast!

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Has never happened to me in 15 cruises. I've never been sent anything to do with dress code. I have to dig to find it.
The dress code for the evening is posted on the ships paper that is delivered to your cabin every night
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The dress code for the evening is posted on the ships paper that is delivered to your cabin every night
A bit late to do your packing don't you think?
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More or less the reverse for us... we have a light breakfast, only have lunch as such ashore to try some local stuff, if we have no lunch we may have a "tea time" snack. Dinner is the meal & social time we enjoy most, it may be 5 or 6 courses but they are all small, apart from the soup if you put them all on one plate it wouldn't amount to much!
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More or less the reverse for us... we have a light breakfast, only have lunch as such ashore to try some local stuff, if we have no lunch we may have a "tea time" snack. Dinner is the meal & social time we enjoy most, it may be 5 or 6 courses but they are all small, apart from the soup if you put them all on one plate it wouldn't amount to much!

On our first few cruises .... we ate breakfast in the MDR. Then checked otu the WJ. Then we had lunch in the MDR (back when the MDR was open every day!), then checked out the WJ. We had snacks. We had dinner in the MDR ... then checked out the WJ.

My metabolism ain't what it used to be; so we now skip the buffet ..... (but still order two appies, entrees, and desserts). I'm on vacation and I will indulge .... and then work out like a demon when I get back.
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I always start with a good breakfast, usually in the WJ and then a light lunch in the Windjammer. Unfortunately, I do good with salad and a roll, until I spot the desserts, that does me in. After that it a wait until dinner in the MDR....

What you need to do with all this eating is a good amount of walking, no elevators, take the stairs, walk in ports, etc.....Now, I may gain up to 3 pounds and can work that off in the first week back home and back to work....
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I think my eating habits contribute to a weight loss of 1lb per week.

Donna, like you I rarely use elevators but I put the weight loss down to not eating late.

I just wish I was so disciplined at home.

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Yep, we are the same, its those snacks later in the eveing while watching TV...
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i just picked up on something. John is from the UK and i am guessing that in the UK the term holiday would be what we in the US call vacation, so all this back and forth about dressing for "holiday" might just be a misunderstanding???
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i just picked up on something. John is from the UK and i am guessing that in the UK the term holiday would be what we in the US call vacation, so all this back and forth about dressing for "holiday" might just be a misunderstanding???
Lisa,

I am also from the UK and JTD and I don't agree

BTW I dress formal by all standards except maybe Cunard? I also don't wear jeans or shorts.

I think, however, cultural differences within US and between US and Europe adds to the mix.

I freely admit I choose vessel by itinerary and I have never read a cruise brochure in my life!

However, that said, no TA has ever advised me of dress code and if the message is not getting through - the issue lies with the primary communicator - the cruise line!

I have sailed with HAL and 80% ignored the dress code - I felt overdressed. What is the point?

So the cruiseline must ensure AT THE POINT OF BOOKING that any dress code is communicated to their client and enforce it or else don't bother. It is simply too late to advise clients of the dress code in the daily bulletin whilst on board the vessel.

But as Trackypup says - they are trying to please everybody.

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Annie, you bring up some really good points. I guess that maybe some of us have been cruising for so many years that we take for granted that everyone who books a cruise KNOWS that there is some sort of dress code, and that there is a whole generation who didn't grow up watching "The Love Boat" on tv lol.
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