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Briguy,

All the musicians I know drink and do drugs so all musicians must drink and do drugs.

Here is a good picture of the aft decks of the Fantasy class. Could be from anywhere as I have not see any reports of which deck or where but my guess is back here somewhere. Could have been on public deck or a lower crew deck. 82 feet from the water would mean around deck 8.

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This is always a very uneasy trend and now Carnival and the Dream will unvail the first balconey Cabins located right near the water line on deck 2. So only one wonders what will happen next. But it is a totaly head scracher when some one goes over board because you have to really want to go over the rail or have some help.
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Here is a little more inforative article.

Cruise passengers describe minutes after worker fell overboard
BY ED BIERSCHENK, staff and FLORIDA TODAY
Originally published 10:09 a.m., January 1, 2009
Updated 05:25 p.m., January 1, 2009

VERO BEACH — If a 26-year-old entertainer missing from a cruise ship passing east of here is not found, Coast Guard officials said the search for the man would continue at least until dusk Friday. The off-duty employee of the Carnival cruise ship Sensation accidentally fell overboard about 12:40 a.m. Thursday in waters about 20 miles east of here, according to a statement from the company.

Six crew members saw the employee, whose name has not been released, go overboard, Carnival said.

“Our thoughts and prayers are with this young man at this time, as well as with his friends and family,” the company said in a statement.

The cruise line on Thursday had not described what led up to the incident. The only additional information available about the man is that he is a U.S. citizen, about 5-foot-9 and about 165 pounds.

The man fell 82 feet, said Coast Guard spokesman James Harless.

“It is a high distance. He fell into seven-foot seas without a life jacket at night. There were winds and strong current he was battling with along with the high seas.”

Passengers disembarking from the ship at Port Canaveral Thursday said the man was trying to take a photograph when he went overboard.

“I’m devastated just as other passengers are,” said Sara Tyner of Tampa.

Tyner recalled hearing the ship’s captain calling over the ship’s speaker system shortly after the incident.

“There was panic in his voice,” she said. “This was totally different” from other communications from the captain.

Laura Martin, a passenger from upstate New York, said she and her three daughters were leaving the band-stand area when the incident occurred. She said she saw a commotion involving several young women on the entertainment crew. She said they yelled down to other crew members who went into action immediately to try to rescue the man.

Passengers said the crew acted professionally in clearing the decks. They said the ship was brought to a stop.

The Sensation returned at 9:25 a.m. to Terminal 5 in Port Canaveral after assisting in the search. The ship was coming back from a four-day cruise to the Bahamas.

Search and rescue coordinators from Miami and Fort Pierce are using four boats, two helicopters and two planes in their search. Carnival is also assisting the search, Harless said. The Coast Guard Thursday added a C-130 plane to the search.

More than 15 searches had been conducted Thursday in a 1,200-square-mile area of where the employee fell, according to Coast Guard officials. If still searching at the end of the day Friday, they said they would re-evaluate the situation.

Law enforcement officials in Indian River County will investigate what happened, Harless said. Carnival will conduct its own investigation as well, he said.

The missing employee is the second person this week to make news for going over the rail of a cruise ship.

A search was called off earlier this week for Jennifer Ellis-Seitz, 36, who reportedly went overboard last Thursday from the Norwegian Pearl near Cancun, Mexico. Family members have said she had emotional problems and may have committed suicide. Ellis-Seitz lived in Winter Haven with her husband of about one year. He and her mother accompanied her on the cruise.

The Sun-Sentinel and the Associated Press contributed to this report.
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I agree with Dave, must have been a lot of partying going on. New Years Eve must be a blast on these ships. Bob
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Now it is said here that he was standing on the railing taking pitures. Apparently there were quite a few peoples around.

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I was just on the Sensation in July and remember one of the bands in that area of the ship (good band) and I hate to think it was one of those guys.From what I remember you would have to work really hard to FALL without a careless act or a little booze. Sometimes people just do dumb things,I hope its not the case.If someone wants to do stuff like this your not going to stop it!!!Maybe the media should jump overboard? Cruises are great I highly recommend them.Pray for the guy and his family.
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Since 2000 there have been 104 people who have OB'd on cruise ships. Carnival is by far in the lead with 31 and Royal Caribbean in 2nd place with 17. Princess has 5 and NCL has 8. I would venture to guess that Royal Caribbean carries more passengers as they have around the same number of ships but RCI has much great passenger capacity. I think the mentality of the Carnival cruiser may be predisposed to going OB. Don't bash me it is just an observation.
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I would venture to guess that Royal Caribbean carries more passengers as they have around the same number of ships but RCI has much great passenger capacity. I think the mentality of the Carnival cruiser may be predisposed to going OB. Don't bash me it is just an observation
Carnival ships carry considerably more passengers per year than RCI. But why muddy good conjecture
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When we say "Carnival" do we mean only that line or all of the other lines encompassed by CCL, Inc ? RCI is only one line, I believe, whereas Carnival is actually 6 or so. Kinda skews the numbers if we say Carnival but the numbers actually come from all of the lines under that name.

I do like where one article used the term "went overboard ". Factual without being presumptive.

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So, according to briguy--I can say someone OD'd on drugs and that's ok.
But if I say someone OB'd on a cruise ship, I'm an A_HOLE??
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All the musicians I know drink and do drugs so all musicians must drink and do drugs.

Here is a good picture of the aft decks of the Fantasy class. Could be from anywhere as I have not see any reports of which deck or where but my guess is back here somewhere. Could have been on public deck or a lower crew deck. 82 feet from the water would mean around deck 8.
Well now you know one who doesn't drink, smoke, or do any drugs. Except a little Naproxen every now and again. Never have, either. Now...quit assuming.

"OB'd" makes you a jerk when you're being insensitive about it and/or making jokes. The news is too fresh and the missing crew member deserves more respect. Better to be proud of your new term in a more general thread.
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Let me say first and foremost I am truly sorry that anyone loses their life in anyway.
Having said that, I said long ago and still say today--if you keep your feet on the deck , your arse wont go overboard. Pretty simple. Yes, there are cases where people no doubt were thrown overboard by someone in order to be rid of them. That's a shame and hopefully anyone responsible, both past and in the future will be caught and prosecuted. My sympathies are certainly with the victims and their families.

Again, having said all that, if one chooses to do something very stupid such as climbing about on the rails, trying to climb from one balcony to another, etc. and falls overboard, then I won't lose any sleep. They had a choice--put themselves at risk or not put themselves at risk. If they make the wrong choice, then they pay. Again, pretty simple.

If someone gets drunk, drives and hits a tree and gets killed, I won't worry.
If someone decides to flick his bick and peek into the gas tank to see if
it has gas in it and goes off in a flash, I won't worry.
They had their choice, made the wrong one.

It's the innocent people who are killed or maimed by someone elses ignorance and carelessness that concerns me--not the ones who do themselves in.
With regards to seemingly being so upset about the use of OB'd, l surely wish that there would be no more reports of OB'ers on any ship of any cruise line. Then no one would have cause to use the phrase, no one would profess to be so upset about someone using it and the media would have to find something else to sensationalize and no cruise passenger would have drowned ! Wouldn't that be wonderful !!
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When we say "Carnival" do we mean only that line or all of the other lines encompassed by CCL, Inc ? RCI is only one line, I believe, whereas Carnival is actually 6 or so. Kinda skews the numbers if we say Carnival but the numbers actually come from all of the lines under that name.

I do like where one article used the term "went overboard ". Factual without being presumptive.

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This is just Carnival and Just RCI. There are more on Princess, HAL, Cunard. Celebrity. ect...
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Last Edited: Friday, 02 Jan 2009, 11:12 PM EST
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BREVARD COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando, AP) -- The Coast Guard has called off the search for a cruise ship employee whose co-workers say fell overboard off Florida.

The workers on the Carnival Sensation had reported the man falling overboard early Thursday. He was identified by the Coast Guard as 26-year-old Antonio Matabang from California.

Coast Guard Petty Officer James Harless says the search ended Friday night.

Helicopters and patrol boats covered more than 3,000 square miles of the Atlantic Ocean east of Vero Beach.

Carnival has said Matabang was a member of the entertainment staff. Six other crew members saw him fall and said it was clearly an accident.

Carnival Corp., the world's largest cruise operator, is based in Miami. The ship was returning from the Bahamas and is now back at Port Canaveral.


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Keep in mind he was in the band. So I am sure they were doing drugs and drinking. Probably trying to show off for some groupies. Could have been on the back of Lido deck. Says it was 82 feet above the water. Maybe that new Serenity area. Went back there during a break in their set to smoke a joint or something. The 6 other peeps were probably the other band members and roadies.

Cmon Dave, for one you are assuming all musicians drink, smoke dope and try to show off for cruise passengers. Two, dont say you know for sure anything. You werent there and the details arent all reported yet. This is why the media gets stuff all blown out of proportion. People buy into the assumptions and generalizations and eventually what they hear they think is the truth. Lets keep it real huh? As for everybody else who is joking about this topic of OB'D? Think about your wife, daughter, brother or dad who was the one that went into the water. Then I will make a joke at their expense. How do you feel about that? ***comments moderated***

Well, I don't know that I would have put it quite the same way, but briguy is right. It's no laughing matter.
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Please don't promote the stereotype that all band members/musicians are druggies, etc. Yes, lots of stories about the old rock bands and how bad they were, but that is just a few who got so successful that they felt they could get away with anything.
Most musicians are not like that. And, there is not a lot of need for roadies on a cruise ship....puhlease. Crew members, who have many other duties, do set up, etc. These musicians are not on the "road".
Just FYI, my DH is a musician and while some of the rock bands he used to play in did smoke, never saw anything more extreme than that. But, then again....you are such an angel that I'm sure you would consider that very naughty!
And, Davyd, that was so harsh of you. Forget being politically correct (I think you take some pride in the opposite ), but bi-polar is a real disease. My ex had it and it is awful and totally beyond the control of the person who has it....or the people in your life.
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When we say "Carnival" do we mean only that line or all of the other lines encompassed by CCL, Inc ? RCI is only one line, I believe, whereas Carnival is actually 6 or so. Kinda skews the numbers if we say Carnival but the numbers actually come from all of the lines under that name.

I do like where one article used the term "went overboard ". Factual without being presumptive.

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This is just Carnival and Just RCI. There are more on Princess, HAL, Cunard. Celebrity. ect...
I think we are mixing what we mean. I believe ,DTW, you are saying there is only "Carnival" listed at the site where the stats came from.

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No, go to the link. Carnival has had 31, Princess 5, HAL 4, Cunard 4, Costa 3, P&O 3 and Seaborne 1 that comprises all of Carnival for 51 or almost half of all OB's. Royal Caribbean owns Celebrity and the have had 3 plus RCI's 17 makes 20.

You guys need to know I am a kidder sometimes and of course I know that not all musicians are drunks and druggies. I just like to stereotype.

Kuki,

There are several factors involved but the raw data is that Carnival has 23 ships that carry at double occupancy a total of 56,050 passengers and Royal Caribbean has 21 ships that carry 56,484. If you assume thay all sail at 100% and do the same mix of 3,4,5,7 and longer cruises. Royal Caribbean would carry more passengers. Now when an older ship such as the Monarch or Fantasy does alternating 3 and 4 night cruises they effectively double the number of unique passengers another ship would carry in 7 nights. Given the party nature of the shorter cruises it would seem these older ships that do the short itineraries have a greater propensity for people to OB.

The ships sometimes may cruise at less than 100% but also cruise at over 100% quite often when 3rd and 4th berths are filled.

So if we can assume 100% and the same mix of itineraries then RCI carries more passengers. I am sure there are exact numbers but Carnival is still by far the leader in people who OB.

Now it would take further research if it has not already been done but I have to wonder tow things:

1. How may people OB from outer decks

2. How many OB from balcony cabins

Then we can determine the rate at which balconies have contributed to the OB rate.
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All the musicians I know drink and do drugs so all musicians must drink and do drugs.
Having read alot of DTW's posts I get the sense that this was tongue in cheek-not meant to be taken seriously. Perhaps taking another post to a rediculous extreme in jest. I could be wrong but I don't think I am.

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Don't know what that means, just an observation.
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Read the history in this link...

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There were only three I saw on the Conquest. The stories are interesting and revolve around three main ingredients or combination there of.

Drinking
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Interesting as someone else noted earlier in the thread. There has never been a report of a child going OB. There was a 14 kid that left a suicide note on a Princess ship after arguing with his parents and that 15 year old girl that had been drinking.
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All the musicians I know drink and do drugs so all musicians must drink and do drugs.
Having read alot of DTW's posts I get the sense that this was tongue in cheek-not meant to be taken seriously. Perhaps taking another post to a rediculous extreme in jest. I could be wrong but I don't think I am.

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But we all must watch what we say "tongue and cheek", because to say all musicians drink and take drugs is not tongue and cheek in this forum or in any place. And for the record, I know two musicians well,one in my family, they enjoy a glass of wione, but I can say with certainty, THEY NEVER take drugs, and I am not blind to the use of drugs as I can say just as easily people I know who have/do.
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All the musicians I know drink and do drugs so all musicians must drink and do drugs.
Having read alot of DTW's posts I get the sense that this was tongue in cheek-not meant to be taken seriously. Perhaps taking another post to a rediculous extreme in jest. I could be wrong but I don't think I am.

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But we all must watch what we say "tongue and cheek", because to say all musicians drink and take drugs is not tongue and cheek in this forum or in any place. And for the record, I know two musicians well,one in my family, they enjoy a glass of wione, but I can say with certainty, THEY NEVER take drugs, and I am not blind to the use of drugs as I can say just as easily people I know who have/do.
Maybe a would have clarified things?
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This is for DavetheWave...

While I was on my cruise for Halloween there was a crew members only party in the Serenity area at around 11 or 12. I was on the deck above eating pizza and hanging out with my friends. So as far as it being on New Years Eve I'm almost 100% there was a party of some type... My O2 director said thats where a majority of their crew parties were. Every other night or so I would see some crew members down there with their current fling or whatever they were so Serenity is an area that crew members use quite frequently
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Dave -- I know you are predisposed to "jests" and that is fine.

The only thing I ask is that you not link to those sites that are generally in the business of doing nothing but bashing the cruise industry. The less publicity for them the better.

Thank you.

Also - I played in bands for years, and certainly most musicians are not druggies/drinkers, but if you ever watch "where are they now" on VH1 there is hardly a single story of professional rock bands that does not involve rehab or an overdose. But those are ROCK bands - professional ones.

This young man was not a rock & roll band member - he was a professional singer (I believe I read he was the lead in the stage show) . That is vastly different. These people are usually pretty straight & narrow, not wild like Keith Richards.
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I've listen about the "falling" incidents on the radio and during my 3 times cruising I come to the conclusion that unless you are accident prone or want to commit suicide there is no way this can happen.

The fear of swimming in cold water or having fish brushing up against your leg should make someone think twice about jumping.

Yes, I said, "Jump".
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Forget the cold water or fishies. While some people beat the odds, the chances of surviving the fall are pretty slim. At that height, that lovely water is not unlike a concrete slab. If not immediate death, then heavy odds on being knocked unconcious. Owwy.
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