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Old July 15th, 2014, 08:06 PM
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Some are already reporting that they have been contacted by email from their PCCs at NCL customer service with the confirmation of the No Balcony smoking ban. Also same from those who book with Casinos At Sea. Have not seen anyone report that their TA contacted them.

Interestingly, someone has ventured a guess that the change is related to new SOLAS regulations which would require a policy change to no smoking on balconies OR the retrofitting of smoke detectors and suppresser systems as well as enclosure modifications for all balconies ( to contain the dreaded drifting smoke ). If so, I think we can expect HAL to quickly follow suit.

If it is tied to new SOLAS regs, it is easy to see why they just simply went no smoking for balconies. It does not cost them a penny up front. Whether they will lose business or gain business in the long run, who knows.

I trust you will post the announcement on the board here after your webinar or when NCL makes it official.
Who created SOLAS regulations (have never heard of them)? If they are American regulations, they would not apply to any cruise ship other than the Pride of America.
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SOLAS (Safety Of Life At Sea) is a treaty created by a convention of representatives from maritime nations, and regulations are derived from the treaty, and updated periodically. SOLAS is very far reaching and has a lot of details. The rules are supposed to apply to all signatories, internationally.
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SOLAS (Safety Of Life At Sea) is a treaty created by a convention of representatives from maritime nations, and regulations are derived from the treaty, and updated periodically. SOLAS is very far reaching and has a lot of details. The rules are supposed to apply to all signatories, internationally.
Thank you for the info. Had not heard of it before (then again, I doubt most cruisers have). BTW, was the Bahamas one of the signers (since many ships are flagged in the Bahamas)?
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Carnival designated one of its ships (Fantasy?) totally non-smoking--probably 15-20 years ago. The experiment failed..


Smoking is legal; until it is banned throughout the world I doubt any line will entirely ban smoking.
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Carnival designated one of its ships (Fantasy?) totally non-smoking--probably 15-20 years ago. The experiment failed..


Smoking is legal; until it is banned throughout the world I doubt any line will entirely ban smoking.
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was the Bahamas one of the signers (since many ships are flagged in the Bahamas)?
Yes, any nation that provides 'flag of convenience' registry of vessels has to comply with SOLAS.
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Of course the Paradise experiment failed. Non smokers were offered one ship, one itinerary. Hardly fair and extremely boring. Had they offered more ships and itineraries it might have fared better.
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For any of the Carnival cruisers thinking of dumping their Carnival cruise for NCL due to Carnival's balcony smoking ban, it is now banned on NCL as well. They just updated their smoking policy this am effective for November 1.

That leaves only HAL, for now at least.
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Guests who smoke in their staterooms or on their balconies will be assessed a $250 cleaning and refreshing fee on their Sail & Sign account. Information on this fee is included in Carnival's cruise ticket contract. Guest agrees to strictly comply with Carnival’s non-smoking policy.
$250 cleaning and refreshing fee, what is to clean and refresh?
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I don't smoke so it doesn't really matter to me one way or the other. But i wouldn't be suprised if there weren't some \ smokers who would just start figuring in the $250 as a price they would have to pay.

I've never been on a cruise but how would they know you smoked on your balconies? Are there cameras on them? Are they hoping the person next to you will tell?
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My family and I were dedicated Carnival Paradise cruisers back when she was the only 100 % smoke free ship. As non smokers, and me having asthma, it was so wonderful to be able to enjoy all the lounges, decks, recreational venues and the Casino without tobacco smoke ruining our trip. We sailed 7 cruises on this ship, two being a back to back before sadly, this exclusive amenity was discontinued.

On our last cruise, which was our 25th Anniversary Back to Back trip, we had the opportunity to meet with the officers at a Captains reception where we had a personal chat with the Chief Pursar regarding the rumors of discontinuing the smoke free status. What was interesting is that the problem with having a smoke free ship was not the fact the ship was not making money. In fact, he said that the revenue from bookings, casino and booze sales was actually on par with other same class ships. He said the actual problem was that since a good majority of the crew are European and the Carnival policy of that time was that all 900+ employees needed to be 100 % smoke free, on and off the ship, the difficulty was staffing and keeping a crew.

With this said, I am very happy to hear that Carnival has taken this step in having smoke free balconies and perhaps, as time goes on, and the dependency on smoking decreases, more areas of cruise ships such as the casino and bars will also become smoke free. I admit, for me, it would be wonderful to see Carnival designate one ship at every port as Smoke Free or perhaps 99 % smoke free (I would vote for one exclusive smokers lounge !), but at the least, for now, if I cruise again, I can go knowing that I can sit on a balcony and enjoy the view without fear of being smoked out.

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Dream of the day, the wife and I, can go to the casino without a hazmat suit. One of the reasons we switched to Princess was for their two nights smoke free casino. The staleness is still there but Bingo Betty isn't next to you at the other machine chain smoking Camels.
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