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Old November 17th, 2010, 10:45 AM
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I keep hearing about all the new TSA stuff going on at the airports. If you watch the news, I am sure you have heard about it too.

So what do you think?

I don't have a problem with it. Maybe because I lived in Germany for so many years, and am use to the heavy pat downs. The full body scans don't bother me either, as long as I don't hear laughing going on behind the screen.

So, what is your opinion?
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Luanne, I have never been subjected to a pat down, so not sure how I would/will react to it. Regarding the full body scan, I'm with you. As long as I don't hear snickering on the other side, I'll be o.k. Even with the shape I'm in, I'm sure there have been many others scanned, who were in the same shap I'm in!

I reckon if we choose to fly, we will have to deal with it.
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I have been subjected to a pat down a couple of times.
I think that safety is the most important issue.

As for the full body scan, I don't mind at all, even If I hear snickering.

We have to get real and do what needs to be done to keep our planes flying and getting us to our destinations without any mis-haps.

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I'm opting for the body scan ,hopefully the radiation will have no effect .Its interesting that the flight crew is not subject to this .
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I could care less. I have a pacemaker so I need to have the pat down rather than go through the scanner. In my last two trips the "new" pat down procedures were in effect. The main differences were that they now use the inside of their hands and they go right up to the groin.

I always thought the previous pat down procedures were not thorough. You could do the old "crotch it" trick that we used to smuggle a small bottle or other substance into a concert and get buy with no problem. Now it isn't as easy. They also use a new pair of gloves for each pat down and then test them for explosive residue.

I really don't understand the outcry that is going on. I think the "Don't Touch My Junk" guy probably got a little aroused and confused during the procedure and is lashing out.

In regard to the scanner: If someone wants to see the enhanced x-ray image of a bald fat guy then go for it. Just as long as they catch the explosives that someone has in their crotch or stuffed in their bra.

I am all for individual rights but if you want to get on an airplane, that is extremely vulnerable to explosives, then you need to be electronically or bodily searched.

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One thing that I wondering about....

Do all passengers go through the scanner/get the pat down, or just those randomly selected? If the more thorough process is random, and the routine is still to just pass through the metal detector, so much for effectiveness!
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As I understand it, once all the scanners are installed, you will either do it, or the pat down.

Pliots and flight attendants unions are asking people to turn down the scanner during Thanksgiving in protest of the scan, in order to back the lines up during heavy traffic times. You would think they would want people to be scanned.


C.A.R.E a muslim organization has filed suit trying to stop both. It says it volates the religion.
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One thing that I wondering about....

Do all passengers go through the scanner/get the pat down, or just those randomly selected? If the more thorough process is random, and the routine is still to just pass through the metal detector, so much for effectiveness!
I transited US airports four times so far this year. I have metal plates in my left arm. No alarm was triggered by the scanner. No pat down either. Compared to procedures in Europe and India - a breeze, I was surprised.
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I flew into the US from Canada on Monday. Airport there does have the full body scanner, and the last few times I've flown I've been directed to the line for scanning or pat down (your choice).

There though they do have two lines where neither is necessary; just the X ray of carry-ons. A screener choses, and tells you which line you are designated to. So, there at least, they are doing "random selection", as opposed to everyone. It appears they are doing about a 60% random sampling.

If it speeds the process, and keeps flying safe, they can scan me as much as they like. And I'm not against the pat down, other than it slows the process.

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Last week I had neither pat down nor scan in either Austin or FLL. Just the old fashion metal detector.

I don't have a problem with either, but I can see why some would. I fly so rarely I'm not going to concern myself with it too much.

Once my Glory B2B is over I think I'll stick closer to home. Just more cruising from Galveston for me especially with all the new ships coming.
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For some reason I always beep so I wind up getting a pat down. I have no problem with the pat down but Iím a little on the fence when it comes to the body scan. If you fly for business or are a flight crew, thatís a lot of radiation over time. They say itís a very low dose but i'm not too sure if I believe them. Some reports conflict on the amounts of radiation and it also depends on what type of scanner the airport is using, there are different types. When I flew in August I did go through the scanner as OíHare airport was one of the first to use them. An expert was asked if the underwear bomber had gone through the new pat down would it have been detected. He answered ďmore than likely notĒ I still think Iíll stick to the pat down until Iím forced to do the scan.
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Peoples religion or beliefs are secondary to security, they are after all a matter of choice, as is getting on a plane.
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I recall the thread somewhere suggesting that anyone suspected of carrying explosives should be put in a blast proof room & subjected to a signal or impulse that detonates bombs....muffled boom ...announcement ''anyone on standby for flight XYZ ...''
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It goes too far, and I will not be happy till it's abolished.

And NO WAY will I allow my child to experience it either.

The terrorists are laughing at us, already planning their next method, while we are merely taking care of their past methods.

And when the next kamikaze sticks the stuff up their butt or other orifice, and chooses the PAT DOWN LINE, how many will be willing to bend over, literally, for the TSA?
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It's about freedom and Liberty, neither of which I will give away for security reasons. Like Ben Franklin said.....He who gives up liberty for security deserves neither!

They will never body scan me or pat me down like a criminal!
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I thinl I would opt for the scan. If it comes to where I have to have the pat down then so be it..

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It's about freedom and Liberty, neither of which I will give away for security reasons. Like Ben Franklin said.....He who gives up liberty for security deserves neither!

They will never body scan me or pat me down like a criminal!
Then you won't be flying.
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To each his / her own but I can't get this " it's all about freedom and liberty stuff and they're not touching me or my child "--- the terrorists don't give a damn about anyone's freedom or liberty or about your precious children--their objective is to kill people by any means possible and to garner all the publicity they can for doing so. Therefore, bringing down a plane full of people is instantly flashed all over the world--scoring a home run for the terrorists--they couldn't care less about how many kids were on the plane.
They only have to be right once in thousands of tries. We have to be 100 % right ALL the time or we lose.
If people don't want to be scanned, take the greyhound. If they don't want to be touched, take the greyhound. When I fly, which I do every few months, I want to be damn sure some nut isn't on the plane with me with an underwear or bra full of plastic explosives to blow us all up.The average person flies so little in this country that the amount of radiation they absorb in a body scan is not enough to make you glow in the dark, give you horrible growths, etc. People so concerned about their health in a body scan will undoubtedly stop at a fast food joint and scarf down a Big Mac, large fries and large coke while in the airport between flights-- that's really being health conscious!!
Face it--the world has changed. If you want to be safe, then you need to change with it.If you can't abide by the safety rules implemented for the benefit of the majority of people, then don't create a stink--just stay the heck home or ride the bus. Don't create problems for the vast majority that want to protect themselves and their families by abiding by the new laws and rules.
I have nothing to hide and don't care if they pat me down, pat me up , over or under. I know I'm ok--But I don't know about the guy behind me-- therefore , he needs to be patted and scanned too.
Do you think someone's going to show up an airport with a large sign saying " I'm a terrorist and will blow your plane up if you let me on?"
Hardly--so, what do you do--you treat everyone the same and save all the lives you can by using the new rules.
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In the past 2 1/2 weeks, I have flown 4 times...I have only gone through the scanner..no pat downs or scan.

For the Epic cruise, we had our carry on searched...seems they could not figure out what the suit case scale was.

I also had a pair of tweers in my bag, no problem with that now I guess.
On the ship this morning I saw an interview with a woman, claiming, sexual molestation, because of the pat down she had...she wants the person fired!

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it will be like everything else in the travel game.there will be a huge uproar at first...lots of protest and charges of harassment towards the TSA folks..then it will calm down and become part of the normal travel process..

I have not flown to Israel ...what is their national airline doing in terms of passenger security these days ? they don't get alot of passenger complaints about their proceedures
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I recall the thread somewhere suggesting that anyone suspected of carrying explosives should be put in a blast proof room & subjected to a signal or impulse that detonates bombs....muffled boom ...announcement ''anyone on standby for flight XYZ ...''
I likey!

Unfortunately it won't help us with the box cutters and other paraphanalia they can smuggle on board these days.
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I am not that sensitive about the pat downs.

They can pat me all they want, everything I have has been touched before.

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I've had pat downs on flights but if required I will opt for the body scan.
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C.A.R.E a muslim organization has filed suit trying to stop both. It says it volates the religion.
I'll give odds they win or some 'exception' will be made.
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I'll give odds they win or some 'exception' will be made.
If they do then the rest of us should sue.

If it violates their religion, they should stop flying.

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Anyone who thinks that a bit of personal embarrassment is worse than a whole plane load of people being blown to bits plus whatever devastation on the gound is an IDIOT!
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Like I posted I have no problem being patted down, I do however am not fond of the body scanners until they can assure me thatís the amounts of radiation is very low. As a person who has had some health issues in the past that required me to have a number of CT scans, Pet scans & MRIís I do have some concern over being more exposed to higher doses of radiation. I donít have my teeth x-rayed once a year as my dentist suggests, but every 1 Ĺ years instead. I do go for a yearly mammogram due to cancer risk in my family.

Not all people who oppose this scanning are running to McDonalds and eating junk food so thatís pretty unfair to say. My main concern is safety and making sure everyone safe. I did go through the scanner once this past August and was fine with it but for the people who fly all the time it is a health concern. As far as the people who refuse do scan or pat down DONíT FLY!

As far as screening pilots theyíre the ones flying the plane they donít need bombs to bring down the plane theyíre the ones in charge!!! If they want to bring it down they will.
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Anyone who thinks that a bit of personal embarrassment is worse than a whole plane load of people being blown to bits plus whatever devastation on the gound is an IDIOT!

You are absolutey right !!!!!!!!!!

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I want 100% of the people to be pat or xrayed ,no exceptions
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