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Old February 24th, 2011, 02:38 PM
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Another big drug bust on a cruise ship....

Cruise ship coke bust crew were Jamaicans - News - JamaicaObserver.com

33 kilograms of Cocaine!!! Isnt that like about a million dollars "on the street?"

Can someone here recall which cruise lines this has happened on? They have to get a handle on this. Do you think it was happening all along and they are just now reporting it, or do you think this is new stuff?

My gut is that it has been happening all along. I know when I worked on ships in the 80s I you couldn't stop in Columbia or Jamaica without being asked if you wanted to buy drugs all the time.

I also recall as a crewmember being able to just walk off the ship in Miami and no one even blinking. I am sure that has changed, but once the guests are all off CBP still probably eases up a lot.
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I looked it up and most of the offenses were on Royal Caribbean or NCL. Carnival and its subsidiary lines are squeeky clean in comparison. Carnival, one arrest for 20 codiene tablets.

But I have to say I also object to the targeting of certain cruises such as the gay cruise and the music cruise. I mean a fe people getting high on a "lifestyle" cruise is not a big deal to me.

But I don't want these guys importing huge quantities in on ships - it just makes the security look really bad. I mean - BUY A DOG!
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Paul, my son served on a Federal jury in Galveston involving a crew member trying to smuggle drugs off the ship. Seems like it was Voyager of the Seas. The only reason the crew member was caught was because the agent noticed "unusual" behavior.

I agree that the cruise lines need to do a better job. 33 kilos! WOW!
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I don't get it! Why don't the dogs around smell it? On one cruise at the return, I watched the sniffer dogs being led around the food palates prior to loading. I believe it was MSC in Fort Lauderdale, but it was a few years back.

Why can't there be a dog to do a ship sweep?
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I think you're right that it's probably been happening for some time but may have started out small, maybe as just smuggling pot, then as they got away with that and became bolder and bolder, they gradually started to bring in the harder drugs, as that would be more money.
It seems like the security and scrutiny for the crew reboarding ( or boarding) a ship would be as tightly controlled as it is for the passengers. If a crew member can get aboard with quite a large haul of hard drugs, I think I would be questioning just how thorough the security actually is that's supposed to be monitoring the people coming and going, regardless of whether they are crew or passengers.
And too, once they get it on, do they, the crew use it to get high, or are they merely the middle man, so to speak, moving it from one place to the other for pick up?
I realize speculation is not always good but more than likely if it's happening on one cruise line, it's likely happening on some of the others too. Maybe they just haven't been caught yet.
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I know for a fact Carnival has excellent security and a strict no tolerance policy.

It seems like the other cruise lines should be monitoring the crew a little better, honestly. You can't just leave it up to customs.

I would bet some people bring a little on for personal use, but if someone had 33 kilos hidden somewhere they would be crazy to risk getting caught by using it onboard. But then again drug smugglers are not always the brilliant people the movies make them out to be.

It does bring into question other things. Remember in "Scarface" when he is saying "I don't like Columbians" - well, some of those people can be pretty rough. In LA the Jamaicans actually had a reputation for being quite street tough - and that is who they just caught.

You have to wonder about guns and other things that may have been involved although none were reported.
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A friend of mine is a retired Homeland Security Agent .He said that when he was on the job the crew of airlines and officers of cruiseships never were subject to luggage check . He often speculated that they were carrying drugs .
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Here's something that we really need to consider in today's world. If indeed it's easy to smuggle 33 Kilos and for those who don't know, being in the trade I was in, 33 kilos is over seventy-six pounds!

What if it weren't33 kilos of coke but 33 kilos of C-4 or TNT. It couldn't sink a cruise ship itself but it could cause horrendous damage and hundreds of casualties depending upon where it was placed, especially if it could be placed adjoinging a fuel bunker. That scenario would probably be too difficult to get away with but what if it were placed in a theater or in or beneath a dining room. It's easily detectable by dogs but then, so is coke.

What if it were 76 pounds of Nitroglycerine. That would be extremely hard to do but if they did, they could send an entire section of the superstructure to the moon.

Now combine that with a few dozen tanks of oxygen disguised as CO-2.

Food for thought.

BTW, if it's coke, you'd think they'd be considerate enough to bring aboard a few thousand straws and share.


Better yet put it in pressurized dry chemical fire extinguishers and spray all of the ship. Sure would give w whole new meaning to the Irish Rovers, "Wasn't that a party!" Grandma would be doing back flips on the sun deck. Not to mention the Captain instead of going to Tortola, may end up in Singapore. Hey that scenario would make a great Cheech and Chong flik!

Woudln't that be a party! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVPu5...eature=related

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33 Kilos! If they were flying the cost for the over weight bag would be as much as the drugs were worth

RCI is the "nation of why not", with the motto.. Get Out There.
Guess some crew took those slogans as a motivational speeches
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when I started cruising in the late 70's on Carnvial (Mardi Gras), upon return to Miami all the bags were lined up in a big warehouse that was open and with nervous guests watching, the dogs would go up and down sniffing in full view...needless to say there were alot of bags that were never claimed

prior to 911, airline crew bags and employees were usually not checked..no longer the case these days
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in it's time, Eastern Air Lines, who flew South America to Miami, use to be the carrier of choice for drug smuggling...I remember a huge bust when the landing gear did not come down and the plane had to do an emergency landing and they discovered a huge amout of coke and a stowaway in the wheel well

Todd, you make a good point
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And, we have a hard time bringing booze on board!!
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Ruth,
You are so right, something has to change. I have no idea what these crew members are thinking when doing this, it is just not worth the risk, as some are now finding out...
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when I started cruising in the late 70's on Carnvial (Mardi Gras), upon return to Miami all the bags were lined up in a big warehouse that was open and with nervous guests watching, the dogs would go up and down sniffing in full view...needless to say there were alot of bags that were never claimed

prior to 911, airline crew bags and employees were usually not checked..no longer the case these days
According to my friend ,the retired Customs Inspector ,now referred to as Homeland Security ,flight crews were able to go through without checking till at least Jan.1993 .
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If we did not have such a huge demand for drugs in the US and other Western countries, there not be anyone smugling it.

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Legalization of drugs would also make an in-road into gang activity .
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Legalization of drugs would also make an in-road into gang activity .
Yes it would. There would be a lot less shootings on our city streets.
And once drugs stop being a forbidden fruit, there will be less demand for them.

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wasn't that the case made for prohibition ?
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