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Well. The idea that because most criminals used marijuana at some point in their lives caused their criminal behavior is a flawed argument from the outset.
I can say with utmost confidence that 99.9% of convicted felons ate bread as a youth. Therefore, the bread caused their criminality. Just throw it out!
The facts are, humans love mood-altering drugs. Human teens have been drinking ethanol for 5,000 years or so, and no law is going to change that behavior. (Nanny state, conservative friends?) I'm not sure about marijuana, but it is a milder drug, which doesn't cause aggressive tendencies like liquor, so, shrug.
Medical Applications:
Soda - Most doctors recommend none or limited
Marijuana - Effective palliative for cancer-treatment and AIDS-treatment related nausea, glaucoma (reduces pressure in eyes)
Availability:
Soda - Sold in public schools
Marijuana - Illegal in most states. But widely available in all high schools.
Soda - Sold in public schools
Marijuana - Illegal in most states. But widely available in all high schools.
And you can grow your own.
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I wouldn't call security for a whiff of weed. Weed made my dads final days livable and helped keep him eating. Even as a recreational drug it's better then alcohol. I grew up in a alcoholic houshold. I used to leave for days at a time to stay with my pothead friends because they were not screaming at each other.
I kinda treat my neighbors on a cruise like I would my neighbors at home.
If they stink the place out I tell them they are blowing it. Security will find them on their own but I don't call anybobdy untill I have beem unable to get a peacfull resolution on my own.
I can see why a cruise wouldnt want to have weed on board. International rules are what they are and they have to operate under those conditions.
That means potheads need to practice discretion or risk going to jail.
I will never be convinced ending prohibition will create more criminals. Those people who operate within the law don't suddenly become outlaws because a law become more relaxed.
If you claim it is a fact, state your source. If I were to make a bold claim in an argument paper I had better be able to state a reputable source. Otherwise it is just conjecture.
Even if laws are more ralaxed here they may not change at our destination ports. Getting locked up in some armpit jail can't be a good vacation.
Let's say you happen to be passing by the smoking section. A young thug is telling his bros a story about Snob Dog and medical marijuana. He petitely holds a joint between his fingers in one hand. You try peaceful resolution and he responds with a barrage of garbled curses. You call for security. He staggers forward and stumbles against you causing you to fall in a crumpled heap under his three houndred pounds. Security comes to the scene. They extract you from under the thug. They put both of you on your feet. They take the joint from the thug - ahh good they are collecting evidence. The thug protests. "Hey that's my medical marijuana and I want it back." I have a medical script see." He fumbles in his wallet. and finally produces a wrinkled card. He then accuses you of being the culprit who caused him to stumble and his bros sing out in unison that he is telling the truth. The Philipino security personnel stand watching until the deck officer and medical officer shows up with clipboards and forms. They look at the prescription form. The medical officer, the deck officer and the scurity personnel huddle. The officer hands the joint back to the thug. The officer takes your name and continues to prepare his report. The doctor asks if you are feeling any pain and you answer that you do not.
Meanwhile a chopper is landing on the ship and the thug is air evacuated to Miami, Florida. You ask why and the doctor responds he complained and we want to make sure he is okay. They don't want to be sued.
The next day after a miserable night filled with pain because you dislocated something you disembark. You go to the emergency ward of the local Miami hospital.
you miss your plane home and the airline wouldn't refund your ticket and your travel insurance wouldn't pay for air fare because the Miami police have a warrant out for you for assault. The thug's attorney also shows up and you find out the thug is suing you for damages to his client.
The local police and they are arrest you for assault - charges brought by thug who is very familiar with justice system. Since you are an out of state resident you have to post a bond or wind up with a handcuff on you in hospital bed. You find out from your Miami lawyer that the assault charge will be dropped; however, you have to get a payment to the lawyer.
Meanwhile, the thug is enjoying his stay in the hospital until he is thrown out for smoking not because he's smoking pot but because the hospital it is a no-smoke hospital.
Your lawyer finds out that the thug's prescription is from a Medicare ripoff doctor who is indicted for multimillion dollar false billing in Florida and fled to Puerto Rico.
Then you decide to sue the cruise line because they allowed this thug to be on board. You find out that the ship is chartered in Panama you will have to use a Panamanian court and appear in this court. When the case comes to trial the security people cannot be located and the ship's officers have been transferred to other ships.
Because of the pain from the fall, and you are now bankrupt, you qualify for medicinal marijuana under the national health plan. No more cruising for you.
Yes and all because you tried peaceful resolution.
Let's say you happen to be passing by the smoking section. A young thug is telling his bros a story about Snob Dog and medical marijuana. He petitely holds a joint between his fingers in one hand. You try peaceful resolution and he responds with a barrage of garbled curses.
, all stoners are passive and more interested in sunsets than fighting. That is one of the nice features of marijuana versus liquor.
Let's say you happen to be passing by the smoking section. A young thug is telling his bros a story about Snob Dog and medical marijuana. He petitely holds a joint between his fingers in one hand. You try peaceful resolution and he responds with a barrage of garbled curses. You call for security. He staggers forward and stumbles against you causing you to fall in a crumpled heap under his three houndred pounds. Security comes to the scene. They extract you from under the thug. They put both of you on your feet. They take the joint from the thug - ahh good they are collecting evidence. The thug protests. "Hey that's my medical marijuana and I want it back." I have a medical script see." He fumbles in his wallet. and finally produces a wrinkled card. He then accuses you of being the culprit who caused him to stumble and his bros sing out in unison that he is telling the truth. The Philipino security personnel stand watching until the deck officer and medical officer shows up with clipboards and forms. They look at the prescription form. The medical officer, the deck officer and the scurity personnel huddle. The officer hands the joint back to the thug. The officer takes your name and continues to prepare his report. The doctor asks if you are feeling any pain and you answer that you do not.
Meanwhile a chopper is landing on the ship and the thug is air evacuated to Miami, Florida. You ask why and the doctor responds he complained and we want to make sure he is okay. They don't want to be sued.
The next day after a miserable night filled with pain because you dislocated something you disembark. You go to the emergency ward of the local Miami hospital.
you miss your plane home and the airline wouldn't refund your ticket and your travel insurance wouldn't pay for air fare because the Miami police have a warrant out for you for assault. The thug's attorney also shows up and you find out the thug is suing you for damages to his client.
The local police and they are arrest you for assault - charges brought by thug who is very familiar with justice system. Since you are an out of state resident you have to post a bond or wind up with a handcuff on you in hospital bed. You find out from your Miami lawyer that the assault charge will be dropped; however, you have to get a payment to the lawyer.
Meanwhile, the thug is enjoying his stay in the hospital until he is thrown out for smoking not because he's smoking pot but because the hospital it is a no-smoke hospital.
Your lawyer finds out that the thug's prescription is from a Medicare ripoff doctor who is indicted for multimillion dollar false billing in Florida and fled to Puerto Rico.
Then you decide to sue the cruise line because they allowed this thug to be on board. You find out that the ship is chartered in Panama you will have to use a Panamanian court and appear in this court. When the case comes to trial the security people cannot be located and the ship's officers have been transferred to other ships.
Because of the pain from the fall, and you are now bankrupt, you qualify for medicinal marijuana under the national health plan. No more cruising for you.
Yes and all because you tried peaceful resolution.
You have just, very accurately, described an interaction with a drunk passenger that was smoking a cigarette!
Now if that passenger had been smoking a joint the situation would have likely been resolved peacefully. MJ does not make you aggressive or belligerent like alcohol.
We often see campaigns designed to heighten our awareness of the dangers of alcohol-impaired drivers. However, there is an equally dangerous driver: the drugged driver. These drivers crash, and those crashes may not only result in injuries, but deaths.
According to a survey by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, one in eight nighttime weekend drivers test positive for illegal drugs. More alarming – one in three drivers with known test results who were killed in accidents tested positive for an illegal drug. Young people are also at risk. According to another study by the National Institute on Drug Abuse, one in eight high school seniors admit to smoking marijuana before driving.
The research is clear – driving high slows reaction time, impacts judgment, and all too often leads to deadly consequences. So when people drive high, they don’t just pose a threat to themselves, but to others with whom they share the road.
I didn't think you could drive under the influence while on a cruise.
I don't think anybody is sugesting we make driving while impaired by anything legal.
When my dad died he had not used pot for a good long while.
I bet he still tested "posative" becasue of the way the canboids are detected. They remain detectable in some cases more than 60 days after the usage has stopped. I assure you, he wasnt high the whole time.
So I have to ask what the illegal substance was tested in these cases and how were the tests taken. If it is the standard pot test, that will not detect under the unfluence but rather the smoking of in the past. I like to scrutinize details that are handed out
I personally think we should crucify anyone texting, talking on the cell phone, or is under the influence (while driving) to the freeway sound wall as an example. This all still has nothing to do ith pot o a cruise.
Cruise ships traveling internationally cannot allow banned substances on board.
Cruise ships traveling internationally cannot allow banned substances on board.
Law on the high-seas is tricky. I don't know of any port where marijuana could legally be boarded, save California. Similarly, I don't think any of the common registrant nations specifically prohibit it in maritime law. But, no cruise line permits it as a matter of regulation, regardless. Also, the United States claims special arrest rights if it deems you intend to import any federally-illegal drug into its territory (at direct opposition to California state law -- man up, states rights activists!), so some U.S. ports could be an issue if you don't smoke it up.
Of course, realistically, nobody will know.
If you manage to sneak it on and are in open waters, it is just a ship rule at that point, no different from saving pool chairs with a towel. On the open seas you are literally outside the arm of the law. And the captain may choose to enforce the rule as loosely or harshly as he sees fit.
Every conceivable angle of this topic has been discussed and debated which I guess is good.
But being one who has himself been guilty of beating more than one dead horse, isn't it time we move on? When even I get bored is really must be getting pretty stale.
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Amen and Amen Todd-- the pot thingee is kinda of like the cigarette smokers and non smokers-- been beaten to death years ago but people still flog it!
The pot smokers will find a million reasons to bolster their position and the non-pot smokers will counter with same.
Does anyone have any real news about a cruise lately ??
Accused pot user trashes quarter of a million dollars worth of cop cars
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Originally Posted by ToddDH
Every conceivable angle of this topic has been discussed and debated which I guess is good.
But being one who has himself been guilty of beating more than one dead horse, isn't it time we move on? When even I get bored is really must be getting pretty stale.
Yesterday, a person drove over a bunch of cop cars in Maine with a tractor? He was apparently angry about a marijuana possession charge. Now who is going to pay for the damage he caused? Is the reason for his activity is the law, temporary insanity, or just an anger management problem.
Law is the reason the US supposedly is a civilized society. Freedoom of speech is another reason. If you keep sweeping an issue under the rug because you are tired of beating a dead horse or cutting off a thread or moving the thread what are you doing - is this censorship? Yes the editor does have the bully pulpit - he or she can do what they want- but I thought that the reason for Chit Chat was discussion of subjects that didn't fit other categories. People who don't care for the thread can go off cruising, and leave problems behind. Right? Make sure you lock the doors before you leave.
Probably well overover 90 percent of the people on this Board know where I stand on this subject. I am against pot smoking, always have been and always shall be at least for recreational purposes. But I try my damndest to disagree without being disaqgreeable.
Nonetheless, I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind nor are they mine. The intention of my post was very simple. To my way of thinking, this subject has been debated with the use of the writer's justification for his/her belief from what at least appears to be every angle of which I can even think. If others wish to continue the thread then fine and dandy. It's jus that I personally can't think of another point regardless of whichever side of the fence one sits.
Hope you have a Cadillac of a weekend!
That's the only reason I wrote my post.
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Every conceivable angle of this topic has been discussed and debated which I guess is good.
But being one who has himself been guilty of beating more than one dead horse, isn't it time we move on? When even I get bored is really must be getting pretty stale.
Todd, as usual, you make a lot of sense.
TM
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Solstice 4/2009
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I've heard this for years, but never understood this logic. I guess you could ALSO say that most drug addicts begin their additive habit with coca-cola, or a cigarette, chocolate, or breast milk for that matter.
You got it - chocolate is the root of all evil. But it tastes so good!
Yesterday, a person drove over a bunch of cop cars in Maine with a tractor?
He was apparently angry about a marijuana possession charge. Now who is going to pay for the damage he caused? Is the reason for his activity is the law, temporary insanity, or just an anger management problem.
Law is the reason the US supposedly is a civilized society. Freedoom of speech is another reason. If you keep sweeping an issue under the rug because you are tired of beating a dead horse or cutting off a thread or moving the thread what are you doing - is this censorship? Yes the editor does have the bully pulpit - he or she can do what they want- but I thought that the reason for Chit Chat was discussion of subjects that didn't fit other categories. People who don't care for the thread can go off cruising, and leave problems behind. Right? Make sure you lock the doors before you leave.
That would be Newport, Vermont
Laura
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Last edited by Cruznut2; August 13th, 2012 at 11:29 AM.
Probably well overover 90 percent of the people on this Board know where I stand on this subject. I am against pot smoking, always have been and always shall be at least for recreational purposes. But I try my damndest to disagree without being disaqgreeable.
Nonetheless, I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind nor are they mine. The intention of my post was very simple. To my way of thinking, this subject has been debated with the use of the writer's justification for his/her belief from what at least appears to be every angle of which I can even think. If others wish to continue the thread then fine and dandy. It's jus that I personally can't think of another point regardless of whichever side of the fence one sits.
Hope you have a Cadillac of a weekend!
That's the only reason I wrote my post.
Hey Todd you need to cruise with us! Why do you think we need the balcony
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, all stoners are passive and more interested in sunsets than fighting. That is one of the nice features of marijuana versus liquor. 
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