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Old June 27th, 2010, 04:16 AM
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I am glad I found this message board site as it had not occurred to me that smoking would even be allowed on board a cruise ship. Living in entirely smoking free Arizona you forget that it's still allowed in public places anymore--My son is very sensitive to cigarette smoke and his asthma goes haywire even being outdoors having someone nearby smoking will set off an attack that requires a full 20 minute breathing treatment with steroids. I see Carnivals ticket contract mentions "non smoking zones" and of course we are sailing on a non spa ship (spirit) so dont even have the option to book an entirely smoke free room.

My question is this--unless otherwise stated then smoking in guest rooms and on balconies is allowed correct? is there a way I can get a direct answer from anyone as to where smoking is allowed other then that? I'm envisioning people smoking pool side and deck side and all over the place? Is this the case?

This is of high concern to me as it has a high chance to become an extremely inconvenient PITA for us if my son has to sit attached to a nebulizer for large portions of our cruise and get hopped up on steroids the entire time. On our trip if the neighbors on either side or above or below up sit on their balconies and smoke every 20 minutes we will then be forced to stay off our own balcony (which obvious you pay more to have) and or to keep our door shut the entire time we are in our room...so why bother even paying for a balcony room?

I know for my first post this is going to come off as hateful but I do have a huge issue with smoking since as I have mentioned it sends my child into a medical tail spin very quickly...I guess we are spoiled living in AZ where you can do most things in public without the fear of being violated by cancer causing second hand smoke due to another pleasure seeking.

Anyways--Im nervous about our 1st ever cruise now
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If your son is as sensitive to smoke as you describe, I suggest you've booked on the wrong cruise line.

There are other lines with much more restrictive smoking policies. Celebrity and Oceania, Regent, come to mind that allow no smoking in passenber cabins nor on balconies.

To avoid the problems, if not too late, I suggest cancelling, and rebooking a line better suited to your situation.
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I concur with Kuki. If your son is this sensitive to smoke then you should cancel this cruise and book on another line. While Carnival does have smoking and non-smoking areas there is a good chance that at some point in the cruise your son may go through a smoking area or someone on a balcony may smoke and he may smell it.

Azamara Cruise Lines and Oceania are almost smoke free. Only two small areas where smoking is allowed. Celebrity cruises does not allow smoking in the casinos, cabins, balconies and most public venues. You can smoke on the port side on the open deck area and in one outdoor bar.

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I agree with the earlier posts that if you are outside the cancellation period, it is probably best to cancel and go with another cruise line.
Unfortunately, these cruise lines are more expensive....and sadly you will have to pay more for someone else's addiction. (not fair I know...but what can you do)

However, IF you are inside your penalty period OR if you have already purchased airfare etc....the good news is that the Spirit class does handle the smoke the best of all the Carnival classes of ships (IMHO).

All Carnival ships have designated smoking areas. Unfortunately, on ships in the Fantasy class, you are literally walking right next to a designated smoking area (without any partitions or protection from drifting smoke) as you walk down the Promenade. And you have to walk through a designated smoking area to get to karaoke (and on the Fantasy itself, children have to walk far to close to a designated smoking area to get to Camp Carnival...which is ridiculous). So I would avoid those ships in the future.

ON the Spirit, you will need to avoid the Sports Bar, Casino, Piano Bar, the Starboard side of the Pool area on Lido outside, and the Disco.

Now as for the cabins and balconies....currently smoking is allowed in both.

And you can get a cabin where you walk in and are immediately hit with the fact that a smoker has had the cabin before you. It just happened to us last month. There are some remedies....

1. I always carry Ozium with me. You can purchase it at Walmart in the car section. I emptied an entire can of it into the drapes, bed skirt and carpet of our cabin. I also emptied a can of Febreeze into the mattress itself after the cabin steward had replaced all the pillows, mattress cover, duvets and duvet covers. If Febreeze had not done the trick on the mattress....it can be replaced as well.

2. They also have some kind of machine that they run...but you can not be in the room when they are running it. They had to run it twice and it took two days to get the stench 95% out ....

3. They can also lightly shampoo the carpet, since it dries quickly.

As far as the balcony, we usually don't get a balcony because we sail from Southern ports (New Orleans and Mobile) that have a tendency to have more smokers...so why pay for a balcony you are not going to use.

IF I were going to get a balcony, I would get the first one on the PORT side...(Carnival employees take their smoke breaks on the Starboard side)..

The Spirit class is the only class where you can walk the length of the ship (by going up one level after the Atrium)...without walking through a designated smoking area.

One other thing to consider, Camp Carnival (with certain age groups) does use the Disco during the day....of course, no smoking or drinking is allowed in this area when Camp Carnival is using it....BUT I don't know how much residual agents will still be there from the night before.

I would also send an email to specialneeds@carnival.com and explain in great detail your son's needs. This may add one layer of assurance that your cabin is double checked before you arrive.

If you have any problems at all on your cruise, make a formal report at the Guest Services Desk.

Hope this info helps...
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Is the Paradise still non smoking? It was when I was on it a few yrs back. If so. May want to consider booking on that ship.
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Paradise hasn't been a non-smoking ship in many years. They did not make the revenue they expected. Perhaps it was a bit before its time.

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We always bring a can "Lysol". When we arrive at our cabin, we spray the entire bed and comon cabin areas. The cabin / rooms that we've had never smelled like a smoker has used the room. But I agree with the other person's post regarding smoke on the balcony. One cruise, aboard the Carnival Spirit, we couldn't use our balcony because of the neighbor's constant smoking. Too bad, we had paid extra for an extended balcony and didn't get to use it very much. I think that smokers should only be able to stay in cabins on one side of the ship or the other. That way non smokers can use their balconys and breath fresh sea air.
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I agree with the other's. If your son is that sensitive to smoke, another cruise line (or maybe another vacation choice) is worth looking into. Otherwise, you'll need to use the elevator's to avoid the smoking areas as much as you can. (On our cruise on the Conquest you had to walk outside the wide open Casino to get to restaurants, bars, shops, etc., unless you went up or down a floor.)

Besides the possibility of smoke, there will also be other "triggers" to consider. For instance, some people wear enough cologne or perfume for everyone on the ship and it lingers.

There will also be the odor of cleaning supplies and bleach (which bother's me).

I hope you'll all enjoy whatever vacation you choose ,
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I truly appreciate all of the thoughtful responses each post def gives me something to think about-

We are new to cruising yes--my husbands parents have been doing Disney cruises for a few years and are begging us to join in that addiction with them...we cant afford those as frequently as they do them and since neither of my sons or my husband or myself have been on a cruise ship we wanted to try out an inexpensive quick trip and be sure it was something we can all handle before sinking a ton of money into a DCL trip that we plan on taking next year. We also didnt want to start the kids off with "disney" expectations and then have them spoiled so that kids zones on other lines arent as impressive if that makes any sense.

Its extremely sad that others disgusting violating(al beit legal) habits can actually affect a families entire vacation plans-- I completely agree that there should be a smoking and non smoking SIDE of the ship...how has this not been a resolution that cruise lines have come up with already?--are there really THAT many paying smokers aboard cruise ships that they need to be on both sides of the ship?

I wish I could carry around an aerosol bottle filled with 4000 cancer causing toxins and just randomly spray it around for 5-10 minutes whenever I feel like it and then just toss the remnants of the can on the ground or overboard or onto someone else's balcony or smash it into a glass dish and leave it for the next people who sit at the table to look at -of course that would be considered assault--I know I am probably pissing a lot of smokers off with my holier then thou attitude about it all, but really it is extremely unfair
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We were on the Liberty 2 weeks ago and within 5 minutes of going to our cabins we knew there might be a problem for the next week. You see, some heavy smoker (like a freight train) was just a couple of doors up from my daughters' family's stateroom and mine/oldest granddaughter's room was directly across from hers.

He'd hang halfway out his door smoking away and making the hallway stink with cigarette smell which would drift into our rooms. My daughter mentioned to him that she didn't think there was smoking allowed in the hallway. He replied, "Ok, then I'll just step back in here!", smoking away with his door open.....and the smell continued to reek into anyone's cabin who was near his whenever they opened their door. Nothing could be done because he apparently was smoking in his cabin as was allowed, even if he was inconsiderate to leave his door open while puffing away.

One night the hall reeked of pot......hmmmmmm, wonder where THAT was coming from?
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Nothing worse then going out on a balcony in middle of nowhere seeking fresh air instead my neibour was a HEAVY CIGAR smoker....and I smelled him instead.. Its ashame Paradise stopped there non smoking policy..I would of booked that ship every yr just for that benifit even if it went to the same place.
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We were on the Liberty 2 weeks ago and within 5 minutes of going to our cabins we knew there might be a problem for the next week. You see, some heavy smoker (like a freight train) was just a couple of doors up from my daughters' family's stateroom and mine/oldest granddaughter's room was directly across from hers.

He'd hang halfway out his door smoking away and making the hallway stink with cigarette smell which would drift into our rooms. My daughter mentioned to him that she didn't think there was smoking allowed in the hallway. He replied, "Ok, then I'll just step back in here!", smoking away with his door open.....and the smell continued to reek into anyone's cabin who was near his whenever they opened their door. Nothing could be done because he apparently was smoking in his cabin as was allowed, even if he was inconsiderate to leave his door open while puffing away.

One night the hall reeked of pot......hmmmmmm, wonder where THAT was coming from?
These are the kinds of incidents that will eventually lead Carnival to follow RCCL and the other cruise lines and stop smoking in the cabins.

Smokers will yell and threaten and thrash about....

but sadly, smokers will have no one but themselves to blame.....

Personally, I think all smoking inside the ship and on balconies on cruise ships should only be allowed if the individual is using this product....

Electronic Cigarette by blu E Cigarette - Home

seems the perfect solution.....smokers can smoke where ever they want and no one else is affected.

Btw, I have to say I am a little tired of the perfume argument. Yes, there will be the rare person that "triggers" on a scent...but let's be honest...perfume does not contain 3,000 toxins ... most of which cause cancer. Personally, I think perfume should only be strong enough to be noticed when someone is close enough to make it "interesting".
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One other suggestion....

people should not hesitate to use Carnival Vacation Guarantee.

If the cruiser who had the moron smoking up the hallway had taken their family to Guest Services before the first port and said " fly us home...we are outta here"....I assure you that Carnival would have done something to "solve the problem".

Yes, you have to pay for the airline ticket up front...but Carnival reimburses you and the cost of the rest of your cruise.
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One common thing about regulations and regulators....

everyone wants rules in place to cover actions and activities for things they don't do, but are dead set against any such rules and regulations that affect what they do chose to do.

At the moment there's some discussions going on about eliminating serving peanuts on airplanes, because some people suffer from severe and even life threatening allergies. A serious situation, for sure! But is it reasonable to legislate regulations to protect them?

I personally have a severe aversion to people who've had way too much to drink (probably from 30+ years in the bar business). I've seen how much damage alcohol can to do to people, their families, and strangers who've been in the wrong place at the wrong time, and yes.. on cruise ships too. So, I might like to see more control of alcohol consumption on ships. Yet, for years the message boards are filled with posts by "good upstanding citizens" asking for the best ways to get around the rules, and smuggle extra alcohol on board.

Life (and life onboard) is dictated to be a series of compromises to function as a society. And part of that has to be the responsibility of indivuals to avoid situations that they don't care, or they see as potentially injurious to their health.

So... people have to make choices for themselves. And that might mean choosing a cruise lines who's rules and regulations suit your needs best, rather than demanding the lines change their rules to suit your needs.
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KuKI you are right on. I love how some people must be on their balconys 24/7 the way they over complaine to make it sound good about smokers. They must never go to eat, walk around the ship, shows, get off the ship. All they have to do is smell smoke one time and it was all week. We have 26 cruises on balconys on different lines and on a few we got a wiff a few times, the way the wind blows nothing is around long. Its rare that anybody is ever out on their balconys on either side all the times we are on ours. We think we use our balcony alot and still only are on it maybe 2 hrs a day total, to many other things going on. As far as inside the cabin we have never smelled smoke, around the ship on the smokeing side of the lido sometimes you will but not everytime you walk by. Same as in the casino sometimes you do sometimes you don't. If it bothers us we move on. Every cruise will be different.
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I can completely agree that it can get ridiculous if people want to legislate only the actions of others...

My issue in regards to smoking is that it is an action that DOES affect EVERYONE. And its one of the only legal acts in America that is a blatant slap to individual Civil Rights to Safety. I may have a right to swing my fist at someone but that right stops prior to touching that other person in anyway...smokers rights are completely different--their actions/choices are allowed to infest everyone around thems internal organs!

Avoiding second hand smoke is not always as easy as "shutting your door" or "avoiding certain areas of the ship"--you never know if you will have an extremely heavy smoker as your neighbor or one that wants to flirt with the "rules" and smoke in his room with his hallway door open as discussed above. Yay lets all board the 10 foot by 10 foot elevator with the person that just finished puffing away.

I am all about compromise so tell me what I am supposed to do directly? From what I understand its all about "avoidance" For the most part that can be done--no gambling, no piano lounge no disco stay off an entire side of the ships deck--How about my room? What steps as a non smoker do I need to take to insure that the room we are booked in was not booked before us by a heavy smoker that has coated the walls, drapes, carpets and mattress with the stench? Id be happy to take those steps, but there is no way to guarantee that it actually gets done the only way to be sure is to board the ship the day of our vacay and plan for a battle. Why should anyone have to arm themselves in order to take vacation?

Really my only option is to cancel and book with another cruise line- That then is not compromise. Thats one "side" having to give up completely-and its sad that its the victimized side that loses this battle, all for the mighty dollar.
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Nobody can possibly argue that smoking in a place where it can affect the health of other people is anything other than an irresponsible selfish act. Unless the place is a recognised official smoking area, then anyone who goes there goes at their own risk.
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Really my only option is to cancel and book with another cruise line- That then is not compromise. Thats one "side" having to give up completely-and its sad that its the victimized side that loses this battle, all for the mighty dollar
While I sympathize about the problem you initially described with an asthmatic son, after you received the answer you didn't like you kind of went of a tangent.

The fact (perhaps sadly) is that you do have a choice. There are cruise lines where the rules regulate smoking much more stringently. And those who do smoke also have a choice to not sail on those lines.

It's really not about smoking being good or bad, even smokers likely know it's bad. But... while some cruise lines allow it, and some don't, those are the choices. To book a cruise on a line that does allow smoking, and then complain about it is a tough sell.

You really want the choice to be yours PERIOD.

BTW... Even in Arizona smoking is legal. There are laws regulating where it's allowed, but it is not a smoke free state.

I do hope you get to cruise, and you get to enjoy it! But at present, it seems the situation with your son is serious, and in favor of his safety, I highly recommend looking at alternate ships, with much more restrictive policies.
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Sorry if replying to posts in a topic I created comes off as "going on a tangent"

People get passionate about things that heat them up --Everyone knows that smoking is a hot button issue in general. My topic clearly states the question and even provides a visual cue that this post is not a happy one--Since I created this thread I have a reason to return to it multiple times to read additional replies its natural I would have something to say about the responses no? But if my something to say isnt the same as others I should not say it at all? Seems I am not the only one that wants "my say" period.

Yes as I read replies I got more and more anxious and more and more disappointed that indeed cruising is perhaps not the ideal vacay for our family...Perhaps put yourself in my shoes I just booked a cruise and asked a very valid question and was told right off the bat by basically everyone that my only option was to cancel...I think that warrants a bit of disgust but thats just MY opinion.

Yes smoking is still legal in AZ but it is so restricted and so removed from everyday life that it did not occur to me at all that smoking would be allowed on a cruise ship where people basically live for a week or more at a time--just as it does not occur to me to ask for a non smoking room when I book hotels or to be seated in the non smoking section at a restaurant..those things simply do not exist in our life anymore so it was an honest mistake to book on probably one of the most liberal smoking policy big lines there is --as I stated in my original post if it had not been for message boards like these this thought never would have crossed my mind--

We didnt seek out a smoking ship to just have something to complain about, but yes I do feel its unfair and wont be quiet about it if thats what is being eluded to. Change will never occur if people just stew quietly to themselves about injustices.
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I was very sympathetic, and supplied what I thought was the most helpful answer I could, to your first question. But this portion in your next reply kind of set the tone.

You want what you want, and that's it!

The lines are moving to more restrictive policies, but to this point, Carnival, HAL, Princess, and Costa (from Carnival Corporation brands) do allow smoking in cabins and on balconies.

In most cases, the vast majority of the public rooms and lounges are non smoking venues. Some ships are better laid out in relation to being able to avoid the "smoking allowed areas", others less so.

So, the reality is (sadly for you), it's your choice to research and find the one presently best suited to your situation.

For your particular situation, if you think the best thing is to stick with your booking on Carnival, I'd try to get the farthest aft cabin I could book. Then, if there are people smoking on their balcony, the smoke should be carried away quite quickly whenever the ship is underway.
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I can see how someone who did not realise smoking was still allowed on cruise ships could be horrified to find out that it was, when in most countries it is now illegal in public places.
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I can see how someone who did not realise smoking was still allowed on cruise ships could be horrified to find out that it was, when in most countries it is now illegal in public places.
I agree completely. And that's why I immediately tried to offer information that the best option would be to look at other lines where smoking is not allowed, except in very limited spots.

It's really a case of if you don't like a company's business model and practices (regarding anything) you voice your objections the most clearly with your wallet. Then the company eventually gets the message, and may make changes.

But, when a company makes the changes to fit your needs, and people elect not to support them, they may decide they've made a mistake and return to their "more successful" policies.

Most businesses are very competitive, and listen to what their customer's wallets tell them. The cruise industry is no different. In the case of the cruise industry there's no government regulations setting policy on this subject, so they do what they think is right for their profitability.

Certainly in the United States Fox News tells us people want less government regulation; that capitalism will balance everything out, because business knows what's best, and good for them. For that to be anywhere near to true, customers have to voice their opinions with their wallets.

But, as I said before, people tend to just want laws to regulate the things they don't do, and leave what they do alone. It's not just about smoking, it's an overall hypocrisy.
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Just back from a cruise on the Dream.
it pretty much as smoking on one side of the ship and not the other.
they seem to have smoking rooms and non smoking.
I think if someone smokes they have that right to enjoy just like those
that dont smoke.
A few of the bars had smoking and one small corner of the casino had
smoking.
But for the biggest part of the ship its none smoking.
The liberty was pretty much like that too.
your best bet would be to ask for the side with out smoking I am sure
they have rooms that no one has smoked in.


so let the smokers smoke and pay extra taxes you dont
and stay on the other side of the ship.


You might want to stick to Disney they most likely dont let you smoke
on their ships since they are for kids...

Spa rooms on the dream are all none smoking.
when you check for rooms on carnival they tell you if you can
smoke in those rooms.. look in the carnival book also it will tell
you there which ones cant be smoked in.

And being out side should be fine for any one that the smoke
does not agree with. Matter a fact the one pool at the back of the ships
are most likely all none smoking areas. the pool by the water slide has
smoking on one side only.

Just my 2 cents...
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So... people have to make choices for themselves. And that might mean choosing a cruise lines who's rules and regulations suit your needs best, rather than demanding the lines change their rules to suit your needs.
Well said.

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Nothing worse then going out on a balcony in middle of nowhere seeking fresh air instead my neibour was a HEAVY CIGAR smoker....and I smelled him instead.. Its ashame Paradise stopped there non smoking policy..I would of booked that ship every yr just for that benifit even if it went to the same place.
I would be willing to bet that if there was a all non smoking ship and a all smoking ship that the smoking ship would be more profitable then the non smoking ship. That is why the Paradise reverted back to being a regular style cruise ship, it wasn't making enough money to be viable.

Like others have said, Non smokers should just use the other lines who have tightened their regulations so much that you would find very few smokers there. Likewise though, please leave us smokers a cruise line so we can enjoy cruising too. I have said many times that 1 side of the ships cabins should be for smokers and the other side for non smokers, it would help to greatly eradicate the problems between the two.
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Just enclose ALL smoking areas;so that nonsmokers will not have to walk in them and install a GOOD ventalation system like those in LasVegas Casino's. Which would help everone
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Just enclose ALL smoking areas;so that nonsmokers will not have to walk in them and install a GOOD ventalation system like those in LasVegas Casino's. Which would help everone

That would be too easy and make too much sense ! Even smoker's don't want to be surrounded by smoke.
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