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Old October 14th, 2013, 10:32 AM
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A tragic event on Sunday when a 6 year old boy drowned in the lido pool aboard Carnival Victory. Here is a local Miami report.
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Wow, how tragic....so sorry for the family...
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That is so sad. I read the comments section, too. People were starting to blame both Carnival and the parents. This was an accident. If people can't pass on their sympathy they need to just stay quiet.
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A past contributor here, Stormin Norman, was in the pool as this tragedy unfolded. His view was, Carnival and the people around did all they could to bring the boy back, and were unable to. The staff went into crisis mode to help the family,and passengers. Just a sad situation, and, prayers to all involved...
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Old October 14th, 2013, 03:41 PM
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I used to have a video link about how a person could be right next to you in a pool or the ocean and you may not realize they are drowning. Drowning victims are often not making a lot of commotion was the focus.
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My heart goes out to that boy's family.

It is a very sad event for a family to have to go through.

Unfortunately accidents do happen.

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I used to have a video link about how a person could be right next to you in a pool or the ocean and you may not realize they are drowning. Drowning victims are often not making a lot of commotion was the focus.
I recently seen a video about this. It was surprising to watch this guy drown and people were right by him and had no idea. People think the a drowning victim with make a big commotion but they slip away very quietly.
Very sad .
Are there lifeguards present, I never paid attention .
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I've never known cruise ships to have life guards. It's swim at your own risk.
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It is sad! My question is where were the parents? Why weren't they watching their child?
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I've never known cruise ships to have life guards. It's swim at your own risk.
I have noticed the same thing.

Maybe they should have life guards.

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Hard to believe that with so many passangers around nobody noticed this helpless child.
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This is sad all the way around. Did you read the article? TC, the parents were in the pool. It's easy to drown next to someone and make no noise. It's also easy to drown in little water. In that kind of atmosphere it's easy to be distracted. You think your kid is safe because you are there, along with others. This is not the time to point fingers at the parents.
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Hmmmmm...this newspaper report isn't same as I heard. My understanding was that only the brother was in the pool, the parents were not although they were on deck. Also the kids were running & jumping into the pool.

Very sad for all involved.
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I believe they had all been I the pool at one point but from what I read the parents got out and the kids stayed in the pool.

It's very true that someone can drown without being noticed by others very close by.
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That is so sad!! My heart goes out to the family.
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That is so sad. I read the comments section, too. People were starting to blame both Carnival and the parents. This was an accident. If people can't pass on their sympathy they need to just stay quiet.
I agree. My heart and prayers go out to the family. Pools on cruise ships are so crowded that it is just about impossible to spot a drowning victim. Our local news station reported that it was the DJ who noticed the child in the pool.
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I hope that the Carnival people release the pool monitor camera recordings. Also with all the cameras people have on the ship maybe someone recorded what happened.
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The statement from Carnival was, "this is the first instance of a child drowning in their history."

The news showed how a body at the bottom of a pool, is not easily spotted with the movement of the water, and, the sun/shadows, on the water. We had an issue here, with the same outcome...as mentioned, let's not point any fingers just yet...so sad.
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Very sad. Kids can drown a couple inches of water, apparantly.
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Dave - thank you for posting this.

When we were debarking and waiting to clear customs from Oasis on Sunday - we were chatting with a lady who seemed to know of this story - but we were told a different version. She told us of a family who left a 6 year old in the pool with two older siblings - while they went off to the casino - the two older siblings ran off and left the 6 year old alone in the pool
Although a lot of details are not provided in the link you gave, it presents a different story and says the family was present.

Our kids are 6 and 7 - man this hit home.


I can tell you from Oasis, there were, at most, a handful of parents in the kids pool. There was no way, we were all accountable for all those kids. My kids are both good swimmers (better than me) but we would never leave them unattended. At least the pools on Oasis (in October) have enough room to watch your kids. I was terrified of the pools on Disney (in march) where the pools are soooo crowded, a child could easily be submerged and no one would know.

What a horrifying and tragic experience for this family. To this day, my hubby and I are still haunted by an experience in the Costa Maya pool. I was in the shallow end with my then 3 year old. I was sure he was looking at us when she started to walk towards him - but at the distance and with sunglasses on, I really didn't know for sure that he had seen her (he hadn't). My hubby had gone just past the drop-off and my then 4 year old walked out towards him, hit the drop-off and sank. She started flailing and a young girl in the pool alerted her mom who rescued my daughter. We thank God for that little girl and her mother who saved my daughter from drowning. It all happened in a matter of seconds. My husband still has nightmares over this.
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I don't mean to sound dismissive of this - it is a horrible tragedy. The sad thing is that here in Phoenix not a week goes by that at least one, usually two or three kids drown in pools.

Over the years they have enacted laws that say all pools must have their own locked fences even within backyards, etc. But it still happens.

Kids can drown in no time and they do not make any sounds at all. Like that video that was recently circulating showed, a drowning person does not have the strength to yell or wave. Their head usually is bobbing at the surface until they lose whatever air they had in their lungs and then they sink.

It is odd but out bodies are generally composed so that when we have air in our lungs we can float but when we lose it we sink. You have to use some energy not to drown (swimming) so people should be taught how to swim at a young age.

Most kids who drown are younger, though. It is hard to explain why an older kid would drown but I have seen it happen. Probably the #1 killer of kids here in Phoenix.
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Maybe it becomes all the more tragic when a family leaves to enjoy a holiday and this happens.

One our return flight from Freedom. I remember waiting to check in to the airport behind a family who embarked on their cruise as a family of 4 and returned a family of 3. I don't know the details but the mother had died. That really hit me hard.
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