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Old September 29th, 2008, 06:07 PM
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Just returned, 09-27-08, from Alaskan Cruise on Golden Princess, our first cruise. Overall it was great and would do it again.

The only negative really was the smoke. We would not let it ruin our trip nor obsess over it so much that we would only think of that. But on an Alaskan Cruise leaving the balcony door open was just fantastic for us. Except when our neighbors would come out to light up and the smoke would filter into our room. Great wakeup call early in the morning!

Or while we were trying to enjoy the scenic cruising they came out as well and along with their chain smoking, coughing, & hacking would take away from the enjoyment some. I swear I thought one of them was going to die and we were worried a lung was going to be heaved onto our balcony! A bunch of us would look up at this poor guy and there he was cranking on that cigarette and alternating with his oxygen mask! You just gotta wonder about that?

Being new to cruising I guess it is something we will just have to put up with? Are there smoke free cruise lines? How about smokers’ cabins be reserved to the aft most cabins only? Let them share the wealth so-to-speak?

Again , this was not our main focus but really about our only gripe I guess. Just wondering and thanks.
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In 2006 the Star Princess there was a fire that was caused by someone smoking in a balcony room and flicking it off the ship. Wind blew it back on to the ship and cause a fire. Many had smoke inhalation and one older man died of a heart attack. Here is a link to that article.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11975460/

The man you described was smoking next to an oxygen tank, that is dangerous it's to bad you didn't report him. He could have blown up part of the ship. However, I looked up Princess's policy and it surprised me. I guess they are waiting for a ship to burn down before updating this policy.
http://www.princess.com/learn/answer...leave/care.jsp
Smoking is not allowed in the dining rooms, or any other food service area, or in the show lounges and theaters. Smoking is permitted in staterooms, stateroom balconies, and designated areas. As a courtesy to your fellow passengers, please refrain from smoking pipes and cigars in all public rooms.
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But on an Alaskan Cruise leaving the balcony door open was just fantastic for us. Except when our neighbors would come out to light up and the smoke would filter into our room.
While we agree with your feeling towards smoking and would if we could ban it from the entire ship, your above comment drew some concern. Balcony doors should not be left open for many reasons but in particular you were inviting the smoke in. The ventilation system of the ship depends on a near sealed environment. We're sure this fact was posted in your cabin. The air return not only drew the smoke into your room, it then distributed it throughout the ship.

And the comment made by "katlady" regarding possible fire on a balcony means you were exposing yourself and the ship to that risk should had one of these smokers ignited something and it spread to your balcony. For both the comfort and the safety of the entire ship, balcony doors should not be left in an open position.
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Smoking is a big thing for me, as I do it and LOVE IT, my death...

But I have heard from a friend that RCI is now about to move up a gear and totally ban smoking in cabins and most areas, if thats the case then they can burn my loyality card, and keep my points. No way am I ever going on there again for a vacation. Be realistic, people do smoke and I accept reasonable restictions in doing so.

Its bad enough at work or in a restaurant having to nip outside for a cig, but how the hell do you do that on a ship and at sea that is now deemed non smoking to such an extent that makes some people not want to go there..

Sad as I really enjoyed sailing with them, oh well time to move on and take my money and vacation somewhere else, sorry RCI
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Smoking is a big thing for me, as I do it and LOVE IT, my death...

But I have heard from a friend that RCI is now about to move up a gear and totally ban smoking in cabins and most areas, if thats the case then they can burn my loyality card, and keep my points. No way am I ever going on there again for a vacation. Be realistic, people do smoke and I accept reasonable restictions in doing so.

Its bad enough at work or in a restaurant having to nip outside for a cig, but how the hell do you do that on a ship and at sea that is now deemed non smoking to such an extent that makes some people not want to go there..

Sad as I really enjoyed sailing with them, oh well time to move on and take my money and vacation somewhere else, sorry RCI
Just don't catch the ship on fire and everything will be fine. 8) I'm not an anti smoking person I just don't want you throwing you cig over board and having it blow back and cause a fire. Fire on a ship is a very bad thing, that is why they ban irons.
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As an X-smoker - I was one of those unrespossible smokers! I smoked on the Balcony, I flicked butts off the ship and I didn't care. I WAS BAD! But, now I have reformed!

I would like to see the cruise line have a "smoking deck" of cabins or a smoking side for cabins or a section of all smoking cabins. This would help out those who really can't tollerate the smoke. They do this in Casino's now and in many hotels.
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As an X-smoker - I was one of those unrespossible smokers! I smoked on the Balcony, I flicked butts off the ship and I didn't care. I WAS BAD! But, now I have reformed!

I would like to see the cruise line have a "smoking deck" of cabins or a smoking side for cabins or a section of all smoking cabins. This would help out those who really can't tollerate the smoke. They do this in Casino's now and in many hotels.
So what happens when the smoking side is filled up and then the non-smokers who seem to think that the smokers should have no rights again complain that the are smelling smoke on that side of the boat. No difference than it is now. People should just learn to get along. I smoked for years on the balcony and was very responsible. I always put my cig out and if I was on a excursion I would put out my cig. pick up the butt and put it in my purse until I could throw it away properly. I would do this an a non-smoker would eat a chocolate bar and crunch up the wrapper and throw it away.
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Here, here, we smokers,,, and I know it has taken some time, but in the majority, we are actually socially aware lepers in this world that we live in, we know where we can do it and we know where we cant do it. Why because you have signs, we accept them

We are Socially Responsible

Just leave us some space to do it in, but others would bring their own version of social acceptance into it, and that appears to be, no place you can have the right to smoke

Okay, if you think that, then you have a big fight on your hands. As I will smoke, and if you drive me underground, then its not controlled and the risk to others will increase as I may smoke in the wrong place to try and get past the rules

Right or wrong, people smoke and as long as the product is available to buy and the countries take tax on it, they we will continue to smoke, FACT.

So deal with it, give and accept that there is a need to provide areas that people who smoke can do so without feeling like some sort of criminal for a habit that is such a habit that its one of the largest additional tax gaining incomes for most countries., including most that post on here.

You want my additional tax to pay for other things from this product, then you allow me the ability to use it
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I have to agree with Ron n Jon. If you don't want smoke wafting into your cabin, shut your balcony door. Balcony doors are to be kept shut while the ship is in motion.

Also don't use your balcony as "clothes line". That had as much to do with the fire on Princess than the actual smoking. Princess and other lines no longer allow clothing or towels to be left out on the balcony.

I am an ex-smoker and smokers should abide by smoking policies but others should also abide by the other rules of the ship.

If your neighbors have a problem with smoke it is polite to extinguish your cigarette when they are on their balcony but it is going beyond polite to extinguish your cigarette because you are smoking somewhere you are allowed to and someone requires their balcony door to constantly be kept open. In that case they are the ones being selfish.

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Well, I did not intend on this to be a smoker/non-smoker war but rather was just wondering what the policies were and the like. I go along with that; if it is not restricted then the smoker is not doing anything wrong. Everyone was nice and we never asked anyone to stop smoking as it seemed legal.

As someone said we are accustom to the onshore non-smoking laws that do not follow to these ships. And we are new to cruising and was just a little surprised is all. We will deal with it or go somewhere else. I am not trying to change the world here. And if someone is legally having a smoke then it is on me.

I will say this though, that if the cruise lines had to obey a universal law against smoking and all ships had to obey the same law they would probably not complain too much and just point the finger at the law when they got a complaint. I know several restaurant owners who were so glad when the city outlawed smoking. But before they dared not offend a paying customer and tried to accommodate both.

Yeah, not apples to apples I know but I suspect that a cruise line would just as soon simply say, “Sorry Mr. & Ms. Smoker, but you have to limit yourself to the aft 10 cabins and no smoking anywhere else on the ship as it is now Maritime Law.” Would that empty the ships and cause the law to be repealed? Who knows? I am just saying that the cruise lines are just trying to fill the cabins no matter who is in them. That I do believe.

And one last thing. I am sorry that I have committed such a heinous crime as leaving the balcony door open. So all this is my fault I guess. I enjoyed the fresh air. I enjoyed sitting there watching world go by with the door open. As long as I am in that room and want the door open then I will do that. When I leave the room I do close it. I do it at hotels, I do it at home. I guess I am just a rouge malcontent with my door open for a few hours. Gosh I feel bad. I will have to call my Priest and setup a confession.
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Guess if you leave your door open, expect smoke so don't complain. :o
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Im very sorry that you took up the habit of smoking to start with..Im glad I never started..even being in the US NAVY for 12 yrs didnt get me smoking..Im glad. All I know is that carnival dosent allow smoking in cabins for safty reasons unlike the balconys. All it takes is a drunk smoking in bed and falls asleep......Carnval Paridise is a smoke free ship..To bad its on the west coast now. I enjoyed the week I spent on it.
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Guess if you leave your door open, expect smoke so don't complain. :o
Except on this forum where we just trying to find out where we stood, we did not mention one thing during our trip. Our neighbor didn't light up just to offend anyone so we never mentioned it to them as I said before they were within their rights. It didn't ruin our trip.

There was one time only that I thought about saying something but didn’t and that was when there were several people smoking outside on the promenade deck at a place where there were NO SMOKING signs every 5 feet or so in that area. But a couple of crew members passed by and didn’t say a word to them so why should I? Was there a fire safety thing or not right there, I do not know? To me it wasn’t worth us making a fuss over.

But I am sure the right to smoke and the right to breathe smokeless air will continue to be an area of contention. And I do believe we would need to start our own forum website to discuss the pros and cons of people’s life choices and their effects on the economy, health care, and neighbors. So maybe we should just end this here.

We shall cruise again. We appreciate all the information received thus far and advice. We will not let any of this upset us. And we will try to take any measures we can to get as far away from the smoke as possible. And for now, we will just deal with it where we cannot get away from it.

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...I enjoyed sitting there watching world go by with the door open. As long as I am in that room and want the door open then I will do that. When I leave the room I do close it. I do it at hotels, I do it at home.
Our comment was "For both the comfort and the safety of the entire ship, balcony doors should not be left in an open position." If you have no concern for your fellow passengers then why on earth do you expect smokers to repect you?
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...I enjoyed sitting there watching world go by with the door open. As long as I am in that room and want the door open then I will do that. When I leave the room I do close it. I do it at hotels, I do it at home.
Our comment was "For both the comfort and the safety of the entire ship, balcony doors should not be left in an open position." If you have no concern for your fellow passengers then why on earth do you expect smokers to repect you?
Don't know about repect but I do know about respect. Just joking...sorry.

Yeah I guess your right. I need to think about that don't I? Not sure what the exact reason for not having those closed. I guess when we are in the hot humid climes it will make no sense what-so-ever. But we were in cool dry air I can see no harm on the air system. But safety wise, and I do expect this is a reason for closed doors, they want to contain any fire problem to as small an area as possible and leaving doors open is a major concern in that regard.

But for climate control and all those doors opening and closing so often when we were scenic crusing I can just immagine that it didn't matter very much. I mean they do boast that over 70% of the rooms have balconies right? In and out, in and out....can't see how leaving it closed for 1-2 minutes really helps.

And finally, I will keep my door shut if you stop smoking....yeah I am an idiot I know...but in reality I'd just love to sit in the bar with you and discuss this as I am not as much an ____le as I sound like on here. I'
d even go to a smoking allowed bar....no worries. I bet in about 2 drinks time I could convince you that I meant no harm by asking these questions and glad to share these spaces with smokers. That is why I asked here so I'd know the rules. Not fall off and make someone mad about something they were doing right.

For now I will have an open door policy, so come on in and lets share some food and drink....heavy on the drink please...
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All I know is that carnival dosent allow smoking in cabins for safty reasons unlike the balconys. All it takes is a drunk smoking in bed and falls asleep.......
We were just on the Carnival Triumph last month, and you can smoke in your cabins on that ship. I'm not a smoker, but my boyfriend is and the cabin steward issued him an ashtray when he asked for one. We met other folks onboard who were alos smokers, and they all had ashtrays in their rooms as well.
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Great, pleased to hear it, but I'm gonna start another thread on this, as its important to me, again thanks
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Firehoss:

In response to your original post...there are no smoke free ships.
Carnival tried it and sadly the Paradise did not make enough money.
It never LOST money....but the MARS were far below Coporate expections.

It was also harder to fill because GROUPS are the lifeblood of any ship and even the smallest family group will usually have at least one smoker.

That being said...I would recommend Oceania to you. They do not allow smoking in the cabins or on the balconies. No smoking virtually in 95% of the ship. There are 2 tiny areas where Oceania allows smoking....
which is the biggest mistake that Carnival made with the Paradise.

The other good news is that the Carnival Splendor has Spa Cabins (interior and balcony) that are nonsmoking. The Dream and Magic will have them as well. No smoking in the cabin OR on the balcony.
And since they are on the front of the ship...there should be no ""flow" from other balconies...however, I would only book on the PORT side...since the crew smokes outside on the Starboard.

ON the Splendor there is also NO smoking anywhere on the Lido deck.
(Deck 9) Starboard Deck 10 and 11 are the only OUTDOOR places you can smoke on the Splendor and the piano bar is nonsmoking!!

As for the balcony door...an honest mistake for a newbie...you are forgiven!!

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Again I will go back to my original point, the vast majority of smokers "TODAY" obey the rules presented by the line, the ship, the city, the restaurant, the bar.

Problem here is, in ALL land based scenarios or in life, work or hotels or restaurants, we smokers can walk outside to do it, and we accept that...that’s usually where we now smoke today.

But what if it’s a ship and smoking is totally banned?

Well for one I would not go on it as you told me in advance….and that is reality for me as I dont expect to only smoke from port to port (that could be days) given being on land is the only place I can smoke on this vacation?

Just tell me the smoker, and all the non-smokers up front, can you smoke on this ship, yes or no.

If it’s NO, fine I don’t go on it, and you have a great time. If its YES, then don’t complain because they already told you in advance that there may be people like me doing my thing.

Oh and THEIR rule says I cannot do it the cabin,,,fine,,,, but I can on my balcony. So thats where I will smoke, simple
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Davy Darling: From recent experience, Carnival, Princess and Holland America DO allow smoking in cabins. Carnival seems to have the most liberal smoking policies in bars and lounges - Princess is getting tighter, as is HAL.

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Hi Everyone,

Sorry to be a little off topic. But I have read so many posts about bringing a bungee cord to keep your balcony door open that I thought it was common practice.

Are you really not supposed to do this?

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Sorry to be a little off topic. But I have read so many posts about bringing a bungee cord to keep your balcony door open that I thought it was common practice.

Are you really not supposed to do this?

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Kathy:

Officially you are not supposed to hold you balcony door open.

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Sorry, I really want to know. I have only been on one cruise back in 1992 and we did not have a balcony...so I am clueless.

Am traveling solo on the Pride in two weeks in an inside cabin again, so no biggie. But I am taking my daughter on a Sweet Sixteen Caribbean cruise next summer and we have an Aft Balcony.

It's ok if you are laughing at my expense, but when your done laughing can I get a serious answer???? .....

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Sorry, I really want to know. I have only been on one cruise back in 1992 and we did not have a balcony...so I am clueless.

Am traveling solo on the Pride in two weeks in an inside cabin again, so no biggie. But I am taking my daughter on a Sweet Sixteen Caribbean cruise next summer and we have an Aft Balcony.

It's ok if you are laughing at my expense, but when your done laughing can I get a serious answer???? .....

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I'm not laughing at you; I'm laughing with you. Really I'm. No seriously everyone does talk about leaving the balcony room door open. I'm not a big fan. I love to eat my breakfast out there with the door shut. Balconies are wonderful you will love it.
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I am not having a laugh at your expense either; my thoughts and reaction were based on purely health and safety.

The reason balcony doors are so big, heavy and awkward, is because they can keep out water if the ship has an accident. The thought of all these doors and expensive engineer designed safety features failing because they had been tied back with a bungee cord,,,made me laugh,,,and then really scared as to what some people may be doing that could undermine the safety of the ship.
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I am not having a laugh at your expense either; my thoughts and reaction were based on purely health and safety.

The reason balcony doors are so big, heavy and awkward, is because they can keep out water if the ship has an accident. The thought of all these doors and expensive engineer designed safety features failing because they had been tied back with a bungee cord,,,made me laugh,,,and then really scared as to what some people may be doing that could undermine the safety of the ship.
Like smoking on thier balcony and throwing the butt overboard. Or smoking next to an oxygen tank. One time I was getting ready to cut this guy's hair and he started to light a cigarette and I told him no smoking was allowed. He said, "why." So I said, "That cape is nylon and if an ash hits it you will turn into a human torch." He decided not to smoke.
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Hi all! Just checking in on the board seeing if anything new in preparation for our cruise 11 Jan on the Explorer of the Seas. Being smoker, naturally this thread caught my attention :wink

I see not much has changed when it comes to this subject. Still us against them One would think that as long as smokers obey the Ships smoking policy and non smokers are aware of the smoking policy beore booking, there would be no problem. Right? Of course that will never be the case. I am sure that there are smokers who do not obey the smoking rules. However, in all honesty and after many cruises, I have seldom if ever seen smokers violating the ships smoking policy. I have seen and interacted with non smoking and former smoking zealots who are determined to let me know through a look, a word or gesture that they do not approve on my smoking. If this comes up doing a conversation, I very politiely point out to them that I do not seek their approval for anything I do.

We all have our vices...admit or not, we do. One vice shared by many Americans is over eating....the majority of Americans are obese. Another is the abuse of prescription drugs. I often wonder how many of the people who give me the "look" , when I am smoking in an authorized smoking area, go back to their cabin for their percocet or vicodin. My point is, we all have our weakness and if you say you don't then your weakness would be lying.

Most smokers can relate to this - you are sitting in a smoking area having a fag and some 5' 5" person that weighs about 275 pounds walks by and gives you the "look". Get a clue!

Unfortunately, we live in a world where a lot of people want to force their lifestlye on everyone else. Be careful what you wish for. I wish that some of the non smokers who love to target smokers would find a new "cause". How about this -----As someone who has always been in excellent physical condition ( 22 years USMC and 15 years as a Police Officer) my cause would be to help our over weight and obese children. Can I get some of you non smokers support on this? How can you help? Well, next time you are on cruise and see grossly overweight little Johnny or little Suzy eating a huge bowl of ice cream, give their parents the "look".

I could go on, but would serve no purpose. It always comes down to us against them.
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Rick you are a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. This sentence makes me think you are for the UK.
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you are sitting in a smoking area having a fag
and this sentence
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( 22 years USMC and 15 years as a Police Officer)
means you are from the USA. It's interesting.

This sentence
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my cause would be to help our over weight and obese children. Can I get some of you non smokers support on this? How can you help?
Makes me want to say start a boot camp for overweight families. Give free classes and tips on eating health. In fact; go to their homes and help them get rid of the "bad" food. I always hate it when a friend of mine ate something unhealthly and refer to herself as being "bad". What you eat or smoke doesn't make you a good or bad person. I think the people giving you the "look" should remeber that. As I have said before smoke away as long as you don't burn down the ship I have no problem.
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